Exactly ... it's a viscosity compatibility (HTHS) issue, not a formulation issue within the 0W-16 viscosity rating.
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Exactly ... it's a viscosity compatibility (HTHS) issue, not a formulation issue within the 0W-16 viscosity rating.
Understood, but you are mixing back compat based on category, and then saying "any 0w16 is ok when swapping for any 0w16".
Does API SN map into ILSAC GF-5?
Why on doc page 136 (test table for ILSAC GF-6B) it lists "Sulfur content for SAE 0W and 5W multigrades" when is 6B is limited to a 0W?These are the official API 1509 documents. See the first one (engine-oil licensing and certification system), pages 74, 131, and 135. 0W-16 is explicitly part of API SP. GF-6B is restricted to 0W-16 only, and you can't even have 5W-16 in GF-6B.
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There is a lot of detail on licensing in the beginning of the document. I didn't go through the tables in pages 74 and 135, but I'm pretty sure API SP with Resource Conserving in the SAE 0W-16 viscosity grade is equivalent to ILSAC GF-6B.
GF-6B is about fuel economy, and that's why 5W-16 is excluded. It's the same reason why 10W-20, 20W-30 etc. is excluded from ILSAC categories such as GF-5 and GF-6A.
0W-8 and 0W-12 are currently covered by JASO GLV-1. It's not known if they will make their way into GF-6B before GF-7 arrives.
0W-8 is here: JASO GLV-1
They bench-tested the oils in a Toyota Prius/Prius Prime 2ZR-FXE engine (firing engine) to measure the fuel-economy improvement. They also dyno-tested the oils in a Nissan Rogue Sport MR20DD engine (motoring engine) running in a real vehicle. "SAE 0W-8 high-moly oil demonstrated 0.5% fuel...
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Because SP/SP RC and GF-6A/B are written together by the same consortium. This is a nonissue. There is no 5W-XX in GF-6B. Currently it's only 0W-16.
and why I was wondering why "5W" is shown in the tests table under GF-6B?
edit: your reply came in just as I was typing this.
seeing 5W in there does confuse the readers.
Info from API's website.
See slide that starts at time 6 seconds.
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Oil makers can even mark GF-6A and GF-6B as explained in the 4th bullet.
"Oil marketers may now license oils meeting ILSAC GF-6A as ILSAC GF-5 and API SN, GF-6B as API SN and API SP as API SN."
EMPIRE - are you even more confused now, lol.
See slide that starts at time 6 seconds.
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The American Petroleum Institute (API) is the only national trade association that represents all aspects of America’s oil and natural gas industry. Our more than 600 corporate members, from the largest major oil company to the smallest of independents, come from all segments of the industry.
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"Oil marketers may now license oils meeting ILSAC GF-6A as ILSAC GF-5 and API SN, GF-6B as API SN and API SP as API SN."
EMPIRE - are you even more confused now, lol.
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You got me worried that they put SAE 0W-20 when I averaged 69 mpg on my way to work today. However, on my way back home, average trip gas mileage hit 100 mpg at one point, not accounting for battery used, and it finished with 91 mpg when I arrived home with the battery at the same level as at the trip start. Therefore, the average gas mileage for the day was 80 mpg. I guess this is not bad for a fresh SAE 0W-16. I expect it to drop to 70 mpg when the oil ages.
My question, not having anything to do with backward compatibility (thankfully) is:
What in the name of !!! is mosquito Lucium salt ?!
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"Lucium was the proposed name for an alleged new element found by chemist Prosper Barrière in 1896 in the mineral monazite. Later, William Crookes confirmed that the new element was actually an impure sample of yttrium."
"Lucium may be available in the countries listed: Paraguay. Clobazam is reported as an ingredient of Lucium."
Nevertheless, mosquito Lucium is apparently supposed to be calcium but Google Translate seems to be having difficulty with its Japanese. LOL
In another note I requested the TGMO 0W-16 SP MSDS from ExxonMobil, but they referred me to Toyota as in the past. It's not going to happen.
This is an understatement. I am all for the latest technology, whether it be 0W-16 or Galaxy S20 Ultra 5G. If I can get the technology of the future, it's even better.
Wouldn't the next service be at 15,581. Every 10k right? Is the sticker wrong or am I ?
The following is the 2020 Toyota Prius Prime maintenance guide.
2020 Toyota Prius Prime warranty & maintenance guide
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Sounds like my Hyundai dealer who used to put 5W-20 conventional in 2.0 Turbo Sonatas and Santa Fe Sport SUVs... oh, and in 3.3L Lambada II engines. A sure way to make sure your loyal customers will return in a jiffy for a trade-in
Oh, on a few occasions they drained the oil out of a vehicle, changed the filter, and forgot to put new oil in it
I will never go to a dealer to do an oil change ever again, that's for sure.
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