Terry Dyson is the Man

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Originally Posted By: kingrob
TOOKIT: Well I personally don't like Zipoil. It sludged up in my engine. I had leaking seals and I went back to PooOil.

JIMBOB: That's impossible! You need to show me before and after photos plus seven concurrent UOA's. If the UOA's show me that it was indeed a bad oil, then I'm going to blame the Lab that did the work for not supporting my own feelings toward Zipoil.

GOODDOOP: Don't forget to run some ARX!


Hilarious in a sad-but-true kind of way.
 
Originally Posted By: Johnny
kingrob, excellent post.
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+1

This is the biggest annoyance I saw in today's BITOG posts. I don't want to filter out the Amsoil, Schaeffers, ARX, MMO, LC, PP, GC, M1, MaxLife, Redline, RP, OEM Honda, yada yada yada testimonies and the related arguments on why they are the only good choice out there.

Just once, maybe ok, but I don't want to scan through 20-30 threads to find only 1 or 2 meaningful posts that have new, useful info over the old threads.
 
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Typical BITOG thread:

JIMBOB: I've had great luck with Zipoil 5w50.

BOBBOY: Based on what evidence?

JIMBOB: My car has 300,000 plus miles with no rebuild.

BOBBOY: Any oil could do that.

TOOKIT: Well I personally don't like Zipoil. It sludged up in my engine. I had leaking seals and I went back to PooOil.

JIMBOB: That's impossible! You need to show me before and after photos plus seven concurrent UOA's. If the UOA's show me that it was indeed a bad oil, then I'm going to blame the Lab that did the work for not supporting my own feelings toward Zipoil.

GOODDOOP: Don't forget to run some ARX!


Very well said and so true.
 
Isn't that typical BITOG thread the truth? When you tell people you get your oil tested they look at you like you have two, no three heads. Why would you do that when you can change your oil every 3K miles? Are there many good oils? There's one way to be sure - UOAs.

Having said that, there's an art to interpreting the data and Terry's has amazing knowledge and skill. I have switched to RLI in one of my vehicles and the one analysis was very good. The next one is expected to be even better. He has told me that RLI has cleansing properties of AutoRX and it's in the process of cleaning my engine. He said the next analysis should be even better. I believe he is saying that because he's tested it. Terry respects RLI and hopes they can gain enough market share to survive. But that does not mean he's pushing their oil. BTW, Terry just recommended that I use Shell Rotella in an old Honda of mine. I told my Honda dealer I was using Schaeffers and he had no idea what I was talking about. However, he spends a lot of time at NASCAR tracks because his son is poised to break into NASCAR. (His son is racing in lower rungs and placing in the top 5 consistently.) Now my friend says that he hears about Schaeffer all the time at the track. There is room for the little guys. Use whatever you want and support others in their choice.

I was surprised that someone thought that Terry was recommending RLI because it was the new thing. I believe it's the opposite. He wouldn't recommend anything that didn't have the test results. His opinion doesn't matter. His recommendation based on the analysis of test results - that's what matters. I have found Terry to credible and knowledgeable. His knowledge is incredible and it's our collective loss that he's not here.

Take care,

Dan
 
Originally Posted By: TrailRunner
He has told me that RLI has cleansing properties of AutoRX and it's in the process of cleaning my engine.


Have we reached the heart of the matter, perhaps?
 
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Does Touchdown Terry tell you guys why RLI would work the best in your vehicle? No disrespect to Johnny, but I really have a gut feeling that Terry DOES have some sort of incentive for people using RLI. Ther's got to be some kickback money somewhere. I cant prove this but its my opinion and I am sticking to it.


Before I had established SF, I did lubricant and fuel formulation on a consultation basis and had Terry do most of my testing.

I can tell you that if he tested a formulation that was questionable in his experience, he told told us straight-up that it might be questionable (and used certain terms that told us so)
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. If it was a good formulation and tested well, he told everyone of it's merits.
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Terry is very enthusiastic about tribology
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and fluids analysis and when he sees something that works well, he will let you know about it so that you can see it's advanatages and save you potential wear and fuel costs. He is very excited about renewable lubricants in general and their potential to reduce foreign oil dependence and to reduce pollution of the environment. I know for a fact he takes NO kickbacks or other incentives from ANY formulator or blender, and questions all claims until he has convinced himself of a product's efficacy.

In terms of SF, when we had good testing results from a specific formulation, he told people about and linked our site to his. I can tell you I paid for each and every analysis and never gave him any kickbacks, nor would he ever take any, nor would I ever offer him any.

Terry can't be bought hence his indpendent status.
 
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Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
Originally Posted By: TrailRunner
He has told me that RLI has cleansing properties of AutoRX and it's in the process of cleaning my engine.


Have we reached the heart of the matter, perhaps?


Troll alert
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Terry has done work for Frank too. Please ..do stuff like that with conviction instead of innuendo.
 
Fair enough. Maybe Terry thought that (and apparently he does think) RLI could do the job of a sponsor's product and wanting to post that data on the site was a point of contention. I'm not convinced of it, but perhaps this is what happened. Honestly, I was waiting for a confirmation or denial which is why I said 'perhaps.' I wasn't trying to troll, but I'm sorry if it came off that way.
 
As much as I like BITOG, it just isn't the same as it was during my first few years here. Losing Terry is definitely part of the reason. Even MolaKule doesn't post nearly as often as he used to.
All in all, there seems to be far more opinion and considerably less fact to be found here than there was in the past.
 
I haven't been on here this long, and I'm getting tired of the threads... I think I will just stick to doing UOA's with Terry every once and a while and stick to a Quality Oil and call it a day. How much can all this be debated and talked about?
 
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How much can all this be debated and talked about?


Close to seven years, so far.
 
We can try for more, I guess??

There's also a slowing of evolutions in oils. Right near the beginning here, there were many major changes in a very short time. 2002 saw 5w-20 come out in full bloom due to Ford wanting to use it in CAFE certifications...GC came around as the panacea for the future alphabet soup Euro spec's .. we went from VW50x.x on up in (it seemed) monthly updates. It had more revisions than Windows
 
Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
Fair enough. Maybe Terry thought that (and apparently he does think) RLI could do the job of a sponsor's product and wanting to post that data on the site was a point of contention. I'm not convinced of it, but perhaps this is what happened. Honestly, I was waiting for a confirmation or denial which is why I said 'perhaps.' I wasn't trying to troll, but I'm sorry if it came off that way.


Have you looked at Terry's website? If you go to his link page you will also see a link to ARX. Terry thinks very highly of the ARX product.
 
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
We can try for more, I guess??

There's also a slowing of evolutions in oils. Right near the beginning here, there were many major changes in a very short time. 2002 saw 5w-20 come out in full bloom due to Ford wanting to use it in CAFE certifications...GC came around as the panacea for the future alphabet soup Euro spec's .. we went from VW50x.x on up in (it seemed) monthly updates. It had more revisions than Windows


Good point. Hopefully the development of GF-5 will bring about some new and awesome changes. Alot of formulations will change...
 
Does GF-5 mean "Good For Taking $5 More out of the customers pocket?" Or are they updating the performance?
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Originally Posted By: harrydog
Even MolaKule doesn't post nearly as often as he used to.


"ERICTHEPIG" has been scarce too. Always looked forward to his posts.
 
Originally Posted By: ericthepig
Originally Posted By: harrydog
Even MolaKule doesn't post nearly as often as he used to.


"ERICTHEPIG" has been scarce too. Always looked forward to his posts.
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