So I've want to buy a $60K electric Kia...

[Ws6]

Ev become expensive golf cart already. It's about dumping many electrons as possible in short time between motor, battery, charger. (and trying not to blow up) Where is excitement in that?

I wonder if people said the same thing about muscle cars in the 60s?

 

[Ws6]

NASCAR will be a bunch of guys racing golf carts in five years.

You are so right. Look at the Kentucky Derby! Phased out for people just racing go karts! Gosh darn it! Ih hate tecknolugy!

 

[Ws6]

Stelantis makes few in eu, 50 kwh 130hp. Starts 30keur.

Toyota and Subaru have a 250hp EV...BZ4X or whatever, if you want a boring one.

 

[edyvw]

Ev6 is plenty engaging. 49/51 weight dist, rear biased power, good suspension. Find me another sub $100k SUV that can keep up with a new 911 on a short track.

But their ICE models have horrid distribution bcs. it doesn’t happens just like that. Find me ICE Hyundai/KIA SUV that has more than 44% of weight in the back? Find me their mainstream cars with that distribution?
Electrification simplified weight distribution and it is much, MUCH easier to do it. Everyone can do it.
Hyundai attempted that with G70 and Stinger, and threw huge amount if money to make cars interesting (I mentioned 2nd from M division) but they came with other Hyundai issues etc. and they called it quits. It happened before with Lexus IS, Infinity G, Acura.

Again, EV6 is good car. It is IMO better product than Tesla. But, let’s not make it what it is not.

 

[UncleDave]

The EV6 has none of these issues. It's been out for about 2 years, now. Hyundai/Kia has other hybrids out for much longer. All are doing well on the electric side of the house.

Those were just examples of others issues we learned after the fact.

The Ionic 5 (styling aside) and EV6 seem to be great cars, and the guys driving the EV6 around tracks look to be having a blast.

They have their own issues and unknowns.
I haven't really seen degradation example in a high mile version that was predominantly DC fast charged. There may be one, if you know of one please post it.

We do know that during high speed charging the Battery overheats and a very simple fix is to kill the cabin HVAC for ten minute stretches - probably ok to most, but when its 100 outside charging at an uncovered charger in the sun while killing the AC will result in a blazing hot car in minutes.

Hyun/kia have no equivilant technology to the otcovalves superior proportioning capabilities so in effect you can heat or cool the cabin or heat and cool the battery but not both.

 

[Ws6]

Those were just examples of others issues we learned after the fact.

The Ionic 5 (styling aside) and EV6 seem to be great cars, and the guys driving the EV6 around tracks look to be having a blast.

They have their own issues and unknowns.
I haven't really seen degradation example in a high mile version that was predominantly DC fast charged. There may be one, if you know of one please post it.

We do know that during high speed charging the Battery overheats and a very simple fix is to kill the cabin HVAC for ten minute stretches - probably ok to most, but when its 100 outside charging at an uncovered charger in the sun while killing the AC will result in a blazing hot car in minutes.

Hyun/kia have no equivilant technology to the otcovalves superior proportioning capabilities so in effect you can heat or cool the cabin or heat and cool the battery but not both.


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I'm fine with this. It's pretty easy to just chill out and charge it a bit slower than 250. Charge it slow like a Tesla and it should be fine.

 

[Ws6]

But their ICE models have horrid distribution bcs. it doesn’t happens just like that. Find me ICE Hyundai/KIA SUV that has more than 44% of weight in the back? Find me their mainstream cars with that distribution?
Electrification simplified weight distribution and it is much, MUCH easier to do it. Everyone can do it.
Hyundai attempted that with G70 and Stinger, and threw huge amount if money to make cars interesting (I mentioned 2nd from M division) but they came with other Hyundai issues etc. and they called it quits. It happened before with Lexus IS, Infinity G, Acura.

Again, EV6 is good car. It is IMO better product than Tesla. But, let’s not make it what it is not.

I wouldn't buy an ICE H/K product.

What are we "making it that it is not"?

 

[edyvw]

I wouldn't buy an ICE H/K product.

What are we "making it that it is not"?

That somehow compares to Porsche. There are a lot of cars that have very good track times. Heck, some even better than 911. But they are not even close to 911 in any respect.
To me that looks like attempt to justify spending that money on the car. If you like a car, get it.

 

[UncleDave]

I'm fine with this. It's pretty easy to just chill out and charge it a bit slower than 250. Charge it slow like a Tesla and it should be fine.

Can you turn down DC charging?

I'm pretty sure you can AC charging, but not DC.

I would be OK "chilling" in the winter, as it takes a while to cool down a hot cabin and you can run the seat heaters, but Im not ok roasting without AC in summer.

 

[Ws6]

That somehow compares to Porsche. There are a lot of cars that have very good track times. Heck, some even better than 911. But they are not even close to 911 in any respect.
To me that looks like attempt to justify spending that money on the car. If you like a car, get it.

It's not justification. I want it so I'll buy it, lol! I am just impressed that it keeps up with a 911 on the track. I did not expect it to.

 

[Ws6]

Can you turn down DC charging?

I'm pretty sure you can AC charging, but not DC.

I would be OK "chilling" in the winter, as it takes a while to cool down a hot cabin and you can run the seat heaters, but Im not ok roasting without AC in summer.

Just charge on a 150kW charger. It will take 3-4 minutes longer than the 350kW charger. No big deal. It just holds that 150-165kw curve out to 75% or so.

 

[UncleDave]

Just charge on a 150kW charger.

IF one is open, and IF you can add substantial time on a trip that MIGHT work.
(with 3rd party networks the pickings of what works can be mighty slim)

Bjorns test had the benefit of being cool outside.
We dont yet know what happens in 100 degree heat.

Id be really digging the car without this problem.

 

[Ws6]

IF one is open, and IF you can add substantial time on a trip that MIGHT work.
(with 3rd party networks the pickings of what works can be mighty slim)

Bjorns test had the benefit of being cool outside.
We dont yet know what happens in 100 degree heat.

Id be really digging the car without this problem.

I don't count 3-4 minutes as "substantial". Also, yeah, they're fine in 100*F heat. When I was charging up a few months back (100*f), I talked to an Ioniq5 owner. He had ONLY DC charged his car for the whole year, lol! Loved it. Zero complaints.

 

[UncleDave]

I don't count 3-4 minutes as "substantial". Also, yeah, they're fine in 100*F heat. When I was charging up a few months back (100*f), I talked to an Ioniq5 owner. He had ONLY DC charged his car for the whole year, lol! Loved it. Zero complaints.

Dropping the max charge rate from 230 to 150 is a 35% drop, Im curious how you calculated that would only be 3-4 minutes longer?

If it overheats when its cold, it's going to overheat faster at 100. so although Im sure it will be "fine"- thats going to affect charging times.

Do you have any actual degradation data?

 

[OVERKILL]

Funny. The engineer responsible for the ev6 gt suspension is the former head of BMWs M division suspension development.



That said, its an SUV, so its not exactly the very best track weapon. But it does turn the times.

To say that dash and cluster are derivative would be being very, very kind. That's two fused iDrive screens. Of course we often hear that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and when you hire ex-BMW guys, I guess you end up with stuff that looks like it came from BMW...

 

[sk_pete]

Toyota and Subaru have a 250hp EV...BZ4X or whatever, if you want a boring one.

50000-60000€
Meh.

 

[Mainia]

But their ICE models have horrid distribution bcs. it doesn’t happens just like that. Find me ICE Hyundai/KIA SUV that has more than 44% of weight in the back? Find me their mainstream cars with that distribution?
Electrification simplified weight distribution and it is much, MUCH easier to do it. Everyone can do it.
Hyundai attempted that with G70 and Stinger, and threw huge amount if money to make cars interesting (I mentioned 2nd from M division) but they came with other Hyundai issues etc. and they called it quits. It happened before with Lexus IS, Infinity G, Acura.

Again, EV6 is good car. It is IMO better product than Tesla. But, let’s not make it what it is not.

Weight distribution is big, just adding a hitch, full sized spare, add the rear diff weight and pulling the 40 lbshighly mounted battery for a 11 lbs racing battery (6 lbs Lithium coming this spring) massively helped my handling in my lower Hyundai Kona 1.6T AWD. And I tuned accordingly by increasing spring rate by a large margin and tuning front to rear with poly spring rubbers.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Enjoy your beautiful Kia! EVs are a whole new ball game, especially performance wise.
The only concern I would have is the charging network, but that may not be an issue for you.

Pics and experience when you get it!

 

[edyvw]

Weight distribution is big, just adding a hitch, full sized spare, add the rear diff weight and pulling the 40 lbshighly mounted battery for a 11 lbs racing battery (6 lbs Lithium coming this spring) massively helped my handling in my lower Hyundai Kona 1.6T AWD. And I tuned accordingly by increasing spring rate by a large margin and tuning front to rear with poly spring rubbers.

Helps. But bigger issue is placement of weight. Your engine is hanging over front axle.

 

[Mainia]

Helps. But bigger issue is placement of weight. Your engine is hanging over front axle.

Yes, as many cars do, you do what you can do.