Kia went "kiaboom"....well almost

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Well, add me to the list of Kia's that bit the big one!
2020 Soul x-line with the 2.0 NU. Bought it in 2022 when it was almost impossible to find anything. Only had 4,000 miles on it, which hindsight being 20-20, should have been a huge red flag.
Anyway, I found out soon after buying all the issues revolving around these engines so I was sure to keep good records and receipts of all maintenance. Shame on me for not doing the research but lesson learned. I even went as far as keeping track of all the times I CHECKED the oil by dates and when I had to add. I was down to checking the oil every 3 days maximum and doing oil changes NLT 3,000 miles.
I kept track of everything in a 3 ring binder using those plastic document protectors I remember from high school.
So about a month ago I was headed to my daughters house in the Kia when the check engine light started to flash; 26,450 miles on the motor. There was no change in the sound or power, just going around a corner at 35 mph and the light started flashing. So I turned around and headed home, about 10 miles away, waiting for the inevitable boom.
When I got home I put a code reader on and saw the 1396 code and during research the recommended fix was "long block replacement."
Contacted Kia and set up the appointment for service. The service lady was cool and agreed that it was probably a motor change but it had to be inspected. When she asked if I had all my service done by Kia I told her that they weren't able to manufacture the car correctly, why would I trust them with the maintenance? She kinda sighed and said I would have to provide proof of all maintenance or there could be a problem with the warranty. I laughed and slapped my binder on her desk.
Needless to say I got a call the following day that indeed the motor needed replacement and that it would be covered under warranty. She said the technicians response was ... when she showed him my maintenance book.
Motor arrived 3 days later and was installed in 2 days. So, although the whole thing was a pain in the neck, I didn't have the horror story I've heard from others about dealing with Kia.
Anyway, picked up the car, drove to the Mazda dealer and dumped it for a 2025 CX-5.
I'm not a Hyunkia hater like some but I'll never consider either ever again. Just don't trust them anymore.
But I learned a really good lesson. I've been doing my own maintenance for years and "kinda" kept up with receipts and things. I'll keep much better records from now on for sure.
 
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Boyfriends 2.4 16 optima has the 2.4 that has the bad motors and is starting to eat a quart of oil every 1.5-1.8K 90K. Been using bulk motorcraft oil from work for free but need to start buying oil and keeping receipts for when it does blow up.
 
People will defend Hyundai/Kia which is fine, however they have serious problems. We just don’t hear of ANY other maker on this board on a regular basis having these issues.

I know four people around me who had full failure and denial of warranty. They had cars before and after without issue.
 
Good writeup. Glad you got it sorted and traded it for something more confidence inspiring for you. I beat their drum often but there's no denying significant engine failures from 2020 back.
 
The 2020 elantra did the same thing when I was on vacation in Ontario last year.
Wife handled it.. was surprisingly easy.. but ugh random need new engine code after 40k miles of good maintanence
ocis of 5k or less 2x a year. (has 45k miles now at 5.5 years old)

but it still has 4.5years warranty since it was bought new.. so we will hold it for now.. also been krowned since new so no rusty bits.

The new engine has a horrendous cold start chain type noise for less than 1s on cold starts .. makes me feel... uh ... great.
 
Family member has a 2019 Kia Forte. Should I advise they trade it off or is this engine/CVT a decent combo?
 
Having a documented history of evidence is essentially lawyering. And any company that forces its customers to do so is obviously not too interested in keeping customers happy or making lasting lasting products.
 
Glad you kept good documentation.

The 6 cylinders aren’t known to blow up, but for my Genesis I take it to the dealer for oil changes religiously and keep every service record for the extended warranty. It’ll be my last modern Hyundai.
 
My old man has a 2014 Optima I generally refuse to drive because I don't want it blowing up on my watch. He had it in for service last week and I picked it up and drove it 1/4 mile to his house and it sounded like it was ready to grenade. To be fair it was 0 out and I let it warm up 30 seconds before putting it in gear and gingerly driving it to his house. He was complaining about putting $950 into it and for that he got -

State inspection and emissions
Semi-synthetic oil change and tire rotation
A ball joint
A coil and plug (the shop didn't even try to sell him the other 3 plugs) - check engine light was on
Brakes on all four wheels!

The key was under the mat, I didn't even bother to look for it just hopped in and pushed the start button and was amazed it had 153k on it.

There are plenty of honest shops out there. Told him I would expect that invoice to be $2k+
 
Good writeup. Glad you got it sorted and traded it for something more confidence inspiring for you. I beat their drum often but there's no denying significant engine failures from 2020 back.
Do they give 60k or 100k warranty on the Palisade in your sig? Not the same engine issue?
OP: Do the rebuilt or new engines fix the existing issue with these or do they put in another one to get you a little bit more miles out of it before replacement engine breaks? Understand getting into another brand after that & having this happen all too often doesn't sing reliability.
 
Do they give 60k or 100k warranty on the Palisade in your sig? Not the same engine issue?
OP: Do the rebuilt or new engines fix the existing issue with these or do they put in another one to get you a little bit more miles out of it before replacement engine breaks? Understand getting into another brand after that & having this happen all too often doesn't sing reliability.
So what I can tell you is that the "new" engine was a rebuild. I asked that question immediately and it's also on the paperwork. I wasnt given, nor offered any *special" warrantee for the motor other than 12 month/12000 miles service guarantee for service done. Basically the new engine would fall under the remaining portion of the manufacturer warrantee left on the car.
I really didn't care one way or the other because I knew I would be driving it from Kia directly to Mazda anyway.
 
Do they give 60k or 100k warranty on the Palisade in your sig? Not the same engine issue?
OP: Do the rebuilt or new engines fix the existing issue with these or do they put in another one to get you a little bit more miles out of it before replacement engine breaks? Understand getting into another brand after that & having this happen all too often doesn't sing reliability.

My anecdotal experience...
We've owned 8 H/K vehicles. One going 240k miles, a couple others 150k +, with zero issues. All their vehicles come with a 100k mile powertrain warranty. The one's with known failure issues, ThetaII, Nu etc. (2010-2020)were given lifetime engine replacement warranty if brought in for a particular knock sensor recall. We never had to use it.

The Palisade (2022) has been rock solid. Its only been to the dealer once, for a trailer hitch recall. Making two great round trips to Toronto from Miami averaging 30 mpg with zero consumption from this 3.8L V6.
 
My anecdotal experience...
We've owned 8 H/K vehicles. One going 240k miles, a couple others 150k +, with zero issues. All their vehicles come with a 100k mile powertrain warranty. The one's with known failure issues, ThetaII, Nu etc. (2010-2020)were given lifetime engine replacement warranty if brought in for a particular knock sensor recall. We never had to use it.

The Palisade (2022) has been rock solid. Its only been to the dealer once, for a trailer hitch recall. Making two great round trips to Toronto from Miami averaging 30 mpg with zero consumption from this 3.8L V6.
Anecdotal evidence is everything to everyone; I never discount that. Everyone out there has their own reasons for buying, or not buying a vehicle, or anything else for that matter. Your experience with Hyundai/Kia is terrific and I truly am glad you haven't had to go through the warranty stuff with a garbage motor.
After the engine change in my Soul I'll bet I would have gotten many years/miles from the car but I know my nature, I would always be waiting for the check engine light. I would always be hyper-vigilant for every sound or bump, I'd never trust the car on longer road trips, so what's the point?
We really liked that little car, it was fun to drive. The guys at work used to tease me about driving a "rollerskate" but I really did like it, but if I can't/don't trust it, again, what's the point? Having had to "baby" this car for two years, knowing there was a very good chance that nothing I did would prevent the engine from failing just kinda did it for me with Hyundai and Kia, but they're not the only brand I won't consider buying.
I know I'm gonna get killed for this but I won't consider Jeep or Chevrolet either. Had HORRIBLE experiences with both with warranty and reliability issues. Were they "one off" issues for me? Judging by the fact there are millions of them on the road; absolutely, but there's that anecdotal experience again.
At my age I've owned just about everything out there at some point or another. I can be very fickle with things that turn me off, it's just my nature, but it's been a pretty good guide for me so far. The Mazda I bought to replace the Kia will be my first so I'm hoping things go well. The things that turned me onto the CX-5 was the absence of turbo and CVT trans. Also the fact that the drivetrain really hasn't change since 2017, so I won't have to deal with the inevitable issues that come along with "new" technology.
I don't drive my vehicles hard, don't need or want a race car, don't tow or "abuse" my vehicles in anyway. I'm not a "gear head" and really not much of a car guy. One car is pretty much the same as the next for me, as long as my wife is happy I really don't care much. But with that said, I keep all of my vehicles in immaculate condition. Hopefully I made a good choice because my last vehicle purchase, the Soul, really blew up in my face.
 
Wasn't Kia the one offering a 10 yr, 100k warranty when they first became "common" in the US, maybe 25? years ago.
The domestics mostly had 3 yr, 36k warranty then.

That still a thing? I've never bought a vehicle or equipment new enough to have a warranty so it's a non concern for me.
 
Wasn't Kia the one offering a 10 yr, 100k warranty when they first became "common" in the US, maybe 25? years ago.
The domestics mostly had 3 yr, 36k warranty then.

That still a thing? I've never bought a vehicle or equipment new enough to have a warranty so it's a non concern for me.
Yes, still the same warranty
 
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