Kia went "kiaboom"....well almost

Pretty sure the Hyundai Pony had a long (5 years - 100k kms) warranty that beat all others when it first came out in Canada. They sold a bunch but it was definitely a POS. Most other warranties at the time were 2-3 years and 50-60k kms.


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Your experience and that of thousands of other Kia and Hyundai owners is why I'll never buy the brands. Honda is not perfect, but after owning Hondas and Acuras for 34 years, at least I know what I'm getting.
Oh yeah. I've never owned an Acura but have had two Hondas. Both CRVs. One was a 2011 that I'd still have if a drunk didn't decide to ignore a stop sign and t-bone my 17 year old daughter (at the time). Had 110K miles on her and ran like a top! Actually got almost $15K back from insurance when totaled. With that in 2020 we found a 2015 Touring from the "proverbial" old lady who only drove it to the store and Church. Was 5 years old and had 10K miles on it. Gave to my daughter and now has 85K miles. Another top! Burns no oil whatsoever, she absolutely loves it.
I work PT at a local NAPA. So I see what people come looking for as far as parts and vehicle types and also with the local mechanics so I notice the trends and what generally keeps them the busiest. I always tell people looking at vehicles that you just can't go wrong with Honda and Toyota. You'll pay a little bit more for them but they last.
 
Family member has a 2019 Kia Forte. Should I advise they trade it off or is this engine/CVT a decent combo?

Although I'll probably never buy Kia/Hyundai again (Stolen 2020 Kia Rio), I think the 2019 Forte is a solid vehicle. Hopefully they got the security update done at the stealership due to the theft problems. I owned a 2019 Forte (Totaled in an accident) that was a great. In the summer, I would get in the low 40's on the mpg's for my driving style and conditions. The i-cvt transmission was great and overall, very efficient. The Forte felt very solid and was well built. As far as the issue for this thread, I think that was related to some specific engines that were recalled for that year. I believe my Forte had the same 2.0L mpi engine with 70k & zero issues. Just my .02
 
When did the Hyundia/Kia engine woes begin? 2010-12? It hasn't slowed the sales of them.

I had a 2008 Santa Fe 2.7L 4AT, AWD years back. Aside from the oddity of loosing 3 of 4 wheel bearings and one ignition coil before 70K miles, that was a great vehicle. That was a different era of Hyundai/Kia though.
 
Anecdotal evidence is everything to everyone; I never discount that. Everyone out there has their own reasons for buying, or not buying a vehicle, or anything else for that matter. Your experience with Hyundai/Kia is terrific and I truly am glad you haven't had to go through the warranty stuff with a garbage motor.
After the engine change in my Soul I'll bet I would have gotten many years/miles from the car but I know my nature, I would always be waiting for the check engine light. I would always be hyper-vigilant for every sound or bump, I'd never trust the car on longer road trips, so what's the point?
We really liked that little car, it was fun to drive. The guys at work used to tease me about driving a "rollerskate" but I really did like it, but if I can't/don't trust it, again, what's the point? Having had to "baby" this car for two years, knowing there was a very good chance that nothing I did would prevent the engine from failing just kinda did it for me with Hyundai and Kia, but they're not the only brand I won't consider buying.
I know I'm gonna get killed for this but I won't consider Jeep or Chevrolet either. Had HORRIBLE experiences with both with warranty and reliability issues. Were they "one off" issues for me? Judging by the fact there are millions of them on the road; absolutely, but there's that anecdotal experience again.
At my age I've owned just about everything out there at some point or another. I can be very fickle with things that turn me off, it's just my nature, but it's been a pretty good guide for me so far. The Mazda I bought to replace the Kia will be my first so I'm hoping things go well. The things that turned me onto the CX-5 was the absence of turbo and CVT trans. Also the fact that the drivetrain really hasn't change since 2017, so I won't have to deal with the inevitable issues that come along with "new" technology.
I don't drive my vehicles hard, don't need or want a race car, don't tow or "abuse" my vehicles in anyway. I'm not a "gear head" and really not much of a car guy. One car is pretty much the same as the next for me, as long as my wife is happy I really don't care much. But with that said, I keep all of my vehicles in immaculate condition. Hopefully I made a good choice because my last vehicle purchase, the Soul, really blew up in my face.
Great factual story to share by the way... thing that somewhat impresses me is in my part of the state HyunKia have built some very nice dealerships, usually have the lots packed with plenty of cars and I see TONS of the brand(s) on the roads daily. Having said that, by far the most often abandoned on roadways is HyunKia. Clearly not typical tire issues, etc. either. Recently I've been behind at least 4 different HyunKia vehicles, definitely no more than 5-8 yrs old and puffing quite a bit of smoke. Some likely burning more oil than fuel. Mind blowing the brand is so popular, presents itself well compared to other dealerships, yet continues to crank out constant failures that still sell.
 
Pretty sure the Hyundai Pony had a long (5 years - 100k kms) warranty that beat all others when it first came out in Canada. They sold a bunch but it was definitely a POS. Most other warranties at the time were 2-3 years and 50-60k kms.


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One of my coworkers bought a Pony new, c. 1985 or so. By late 1994 he'd put just over 320,000 km (just a hair short of 200,000 miles) on it. The car had been pretty much trouble-free to that point, but had developed a head gasket leak.

He said it had everything he wanted in an economical commuter - it was RWD, had a manual transmission, was easy on gas, easy to work on, and reasonably fun to drive.

I don't think they were bad cars as much as being a bit dated - the Pony seemed like a Japanese car from the early- to mid-'70s.
 
I had a 1987 Excel. Never had an issue with the car, aside from the abysmally slow acceleration. It was a 5 speed manual. 1.5L Mitsu engine.
I remember those. Friend in the military in late 80s/early 90s had one. First time I'd ever heard of Hyundai. Was a pretty good car from what I remember.
 
Well, add me to the list of Kia's that bit the big one!
2020 Soul x-line with the 2.0 NU. Bought it in 2022 when it was almost impossible to find anything. Only had 4,000 miles on it, which hindsight being 20-20, should have been a huge red flag.
Anyway, I found out soon after buying all the issues revolving around these engines so I was sure to keep good records and receipts of all maintenance. Shame on me for not doing the research but lesson learned. I even went as far as keeping track of all the times I CHECKED the oil by dates and when I had to add. I was down to checking the oil every 3 days maximum and doing oil changes NLT 3,000 miles.
I kept track of everything in a 3 ring binder using those plastic document protectors I remember from high school.
So about a month ago I was headed to my daughters house in the Kia when the check engine light started to flash; 26,450 miles on the motor. There was no change in the sound or power, just going around a corner at 35 mph and the light started flashing. So I turned around and headed home, about 10 miles away, waiting for the inevitable boom.
When I got home I put a code reader on and saw the 1396 code and during research the recommended fix was "long block replacement."
Contacted Kia and set up the appointment for service. The service lady was cool and agreed that it was probably a motor change but it had to be inspected. When she asked if I had all my service done by Kia I told her that they weren't able to manufacture the car correctly, why would I trust them with the maintenance? She kinda sighed and said I would have to provide proof of all maintenance or there could be a problem with the warranty. I laughed and slapped my binder on her desk.
Needless to say I got a call the following day that indeed the motor needed replacement and that it would be covered under warranty. She said the technicians response was "holy s----" when she showed him my maintenance book.
Motor arrived 3 days later and was installed in 2 days. So, although the whole thing was a pain in the neck, I didn't have the horror story I've heard from others about dealing with Kia.
Anyway, picked up the car, drove to the Mazda dealer and dumped it for a 2025 CX-5.
I'm not a Hyunkia hater like some but I'll never consider either ever again. Just don't trust them anymore.
But I learned a really good lesson. I've been doing my own maintenance for years and "kinda" kept up with receipts and things. I'll keep much better records from now on for sure.

I feel the same way about Ford and their 10 speed transmission. Anyway-you didn't mention what you paid for the KIA and what they gave you on trade in.
What were the numbers?
 
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I feel the same way about Ford and their 10 speed transmission. Anyway-you didn't mention what you paid for the KIA and what they gave you on trade in.
What were the numbers?
I forget the actual amount i paid for the car. It was $26K if I remember correctly. It was way too much for it but like I said initially, it was during the time when there weren't many cars to be found and I was in a pinch.
I contacted Carvana who offered me $14,500. So when I took it to Mazda they initially offered me $11K. I showed them the Carvana offer and told them I would just sell to them and then drive to St Louis and buy a car there. They told me they were a small dealership and couldn't compete with the big cities. Told them that wasn't my problem. When I got them to $14,100 I stopped pushing.
The salesman worked his butt off to get the deal done, I was there for 6 hours.
I got to talking with one of the service guys who checked the car out. He asked if I really got them to give me $14K for it? I smiled and said yes. He replied that I should be selling cars.
 
Boyfriends 2.4 16 optima has the 2.4 that has the bad motors and is starting to eat a quart of oil every 1.5-1.8K 90K. Been using bulk motorcraft oil from work for free but need to start buying oil and keeping receipts for when it does blow up.
Mine never used "alot" of oil. Never saw a motor like this. I was literally checking the oil every day or every couple days at the most. Right about when I'd get to 600 mile intervals, a 1/4 quart would just disappear! It was like a magic act. Everything would be fine each day then right about 600 miles, bam, 1/4 gone. Kept this way steadily for the 2 years I owned it.
What I did notice was the piston slap. When I drove it off the lot it was a typical 4 cylinder engine. Within 6 months it became a diesel. That's when I knew I was in trouble.
 
Although I'll probably never buy Kia/Hyundai again (Stolen 2020 Kia Rio), I think the 2019 Forte is a solid vehicle. Hopefully they got the security update done at the stealership due to the theft problems. I owned a 2019 Forte (Totaled in an accident) that was a great. In the summer, I would get in the low 40's on the mpg's for my driving style and conditions. The i-cvt transmission was great and overall, very efficient. The Forte felt very solid and was well built. As far as the issue for this thread, I think that was related to some specific engines that were recalled for that year. I believe my Forte had the same 2.0L mpi engine with 70k & zero issues. Just my .02
The 2.0L MPI was the same motor in the Soul.
 
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