I already contacted a dealer who understands I don't do ADMs. My GT arrives later next month.
So I've want to buy a $60K electric Kia...
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Yeah, I was surprised driving around Vancouver for a week with AWD Tesla cars everywhere, I didn't really see anyone actually use heavy acceleration very often? The odd squirt to get ahead before a merge, but nothing serious. I suspect you just end up getting cut off and having people pull out in front of you, as people don't expect a car to suddenly be going 65 mph 3 seconds after it pulls out on to the highway?
It's not so much that. It's more like merging is such a breeze; a little pedal and that instant torque pulls hard. If you need the acceleration, it's there. Otherwise, just drive. I am spolied by 1 pedal driving; others may not be. It took me no time to get used to it.
I actually think these cars are not as fast as one might think; their quickness may be tricking the driver's mind. Dunno.
@JHZR2 has his needs, experience and opinion, which is perfect. Personally I find the car a joy to drive. Certainly not refined like our GS350 F Sport; it is smaller, lower and ultra tech. The Model 3 is not for everyone, for various reasons.
For some owners, the acceleration and sporty driving fun may diminish; I am not one of them.
If you like it and can afford it go for it.
I love 1 pedal driving. I was concerned that using it would be a problem when I went back to my GTI. Not at all, they just operate differently and both feel completely natural. Once using 1 pedal it's obvious why this is the best way to drive an electric car. I don't know if all are like this but I find the braking at lower speeds once you get past the operating range of regenerative braking to be very smooth and progressive to the final stop and obviously if quicker braking is needed then the standard brakes obviously can be applied, but it's so rare unless it's a panic stop. I just love it.
I looked into model 3 performance:
-Slower
-Smaller
-More QA/QC issues
-Less ground clearance
RS3 and GTI are even smaller and lower and aren't any faster.
What you talkin about, Willis?
That is the first time I have ever heard anyone say that a black car is easier to keep looking clean, than any other color. Absolutely not my experience. I do the whole was, wax, detail routine, go in the house to grab a quick lunch, and when I go back outside to admire the fruit of my labor, I can already see dust on my black E350. Arrghhh!!!
What really gets me is that I was foolish to buy a second black car, after the first one. Never again!
I've owned a couple of black cars. You're not wrong. The reason I prefer White is that you can just take it through a no-touch, and it looks great. I literally have never washed my Volvo C40, and she looks super clean after a drive through the no-touch. Got 9K miles on it and never once washed it aside that, lol!What you talkin about, Willis?
That is the first time I have ever heard anyone say that a black car is easier to keep looking clean, than any other color. Absolutely not my experience. I do the whole was, wax, detail routine, go in the house to grab a quick lunch, and when I go back outside to admire the fruit of my labor, I can already see dust on my black E350. Arrghhh!!!
What really gets me is that I was foolish to buy a second black car, after the first one. Never again!
That sounds suspicious.
Are you sure about that? Compare the EV6 to any of its competitors. It doesn't look or perform more "budget" than any of them. It crushes the ID4 and arguably looks more expensive than both the ID4 and the awkwardly-proportioned Mach-E. Build quality is notably better than the Tesla Model Y, too.
With respect to "g-forces on winding roads", Albert Biermann tuned this suspension. If you don't know who that is, look him up. He was BMW's VP of Engineering of their M department and responsible for BMW's most performance-oriented models. Hyundai-Kia poached him. There's videos on YouTube of him driving the EV6 and explaining what choices the design team made to enhance the driving experience.
Kia's ICE products are one thing; their EV game is totally different. They were never good at building gas motors. The e-GMP platform, on the other hand, is a total game changer.
That viewpoint doesn't really make sense. They were bad at internal combustion engines and this doesn't have one. They got rid of what they were bad at. It's like a pitcher scrapping a curveball because it always gets hit hard - addition by subtraction.
My viewpoint doesn't make sense ? Read this part again:
I would need to see several years worth of their EV reliability studies
Sure it does, with unknown degradation profiles and surprises around every corner it seems prudent to understand the long term characteristics of what you are dropping big money on.
just a few- examples....missing from the brochures of course.....
BMW's revealed a nasty surprise with multi stop throttling you dont discover right away - they are moving to the tesla cylindrical format. They didnt get it right at an even higher price point.
The Mach e/ lightning never delivered on their charging performance envelope and their GT version limits 5 seconds of throttle
The Uber expensive and awesome Taycan requires a battery storage envelope that is unmaintainable by many
The bolt has been a gong show.....
I wrote about my Uber experience. I also wrote about my various Tesla experiences. I don't have any reason to make anything up, and quite simply, I'm more than a bit annoyed you'd suggest otherwise. This is not the place for that kind of behavior.
As an aviation professional, engineer and former automotive engineering professional, I enjoy contributing.
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What's faster than the Model 3 Performance? I'm pretty sure they're in the low to mid 3's to 60. So is the RS3 with the M3P being ahead of the RS3. The GTI isn't, but yeah the RS3 and GTI are a good bit smaller even than the Model 3 itself. The 3 feels like it's about the same size as the Lincoln LS we had and I feel a pretty big difference after getting out of the GTI and into the 3.
I think the issue with the ID.4(we were in line to buy one) is the fact that it's really devoid of any fun. It's very nice and certainly a comfortable choice for a VW owner. It's not a bad car in any respect but they completely avoided the fun angle at all costs. This is where the Tesla, Kia, and Ford Mach-E come into play. They have great driving dynamics and they really leaned into the fun part without compromising the rest of the car. This is not what backed us out of buying an ID.4. We just got tired of waiting. The ID.4 was to replace our Ford Edge that I was getting tired of dumping money into and after 4 months wait without being contacted for the second deposit we decided to look into the Model 3. We had an estimated delivery date within a week to start planning for and the car ended up arriving a month before first projected as latest delivery date. I'm very happy with the car too.
In the end we were very happy to be away from the SUV/Crossover types of vehicles. I really missed the dynamics of properly sorted cars and an F150 and Ford Edge were depressing to drive for me. What I really want is a GTI sized electric hatchback with serious power and real range(the e-Golf's failing) and not some pseudo small crossoverish thing. I'm sure Kia at this point is probably closest to this but I really don't like them. The one VW is proposing isn't even as fast as the Golf R which seems pointless and I'm curious to see the Tesla when it comes out. If it's too squished and cutesy in that Tesla way I'm out on that too. I fear the small Model Y look which to me whether it's in pictures or in person just seems offensively devoid of any appeal to a car guy in the looks department. I'll either keep driving my current GTI or buy a new Golf R at that point. I want the RS3 but I wish they kept the hatch for the US market. 5 cylinder turbo hatch would be perfect if I'm not going electric, hence why the RS3 hatch needs to return.
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