I guess I'll just keep feeding our trusty 2001 Tundra. Only 212K and runs like new.
Seventeen TSBs and counting for the 2022-2023 Tundra
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Ok…I guess we’re now accepting this level of mediocrity for a $80k vehicle? Now what if you had to return for just 10 of those TSBs? What if they couldn’t be fixed due to parts shortage? Still not a problem? There are people who are experiencing that very scenario.
I’ll give you the drivetrain, just can’t beat a Chevy v8…. But Jesus Christ they look like abominations straight out of hell that was subsequently ran over by 18 wheelers. Even the poor Escalade… the previous generation was so much better looking.
Cars are designed by humans and humans do make mistakes. The tonneau cover recall sucks but the vehicle is usable without the tonneau in place until a final fix is figured out. Only one other bulletin involves parts replacement and parts are available for it. The software update bulletins are not a big deal. How often does microsoft issue a software update?
At least they are TSB's and not recalls.
We have accepted a low bar.
17 is nothing. That’s a darn good launch. Plus some TSB’s are for informational proposes only and may apply to multiple models.
And not all common issues are addressed in a TSB.
Granted there are some duplicates here, but in Stellantis land:
17 is nothing. That’s a darn good launch. Plus some TSB’s are for informational proposes only and may apply to multiple models.
And not all common issues are addressed in a TSB.
Granted there are some duplicates here, but in Stellantis land:
Wait two more years...
especially when 4 of em apply to PDI and vehicle storage at dealership and a couple are general info17 is nothing. That’s a darn good launch. Plus some TSB’s are for informational proposes only and may apply to multiple models.
And not all common issues are addressed in a TSB.
Granted there are some duplicates here, but in Stellantis land:
What I find funny is there are a bazillion TSB's that apply to 2016 F150's. Currently 7 years and 105,000 miles in, and exactly one TSB was applicable to my truck. (And was covered under the powertrain warranty).
I view TSB's more as here is a fix to a potential issue we have seen... No more, no less...
I view TSB's more as here is a fix to a potential issue we have seen... No more, no less...
Seventeen is not much and TSB's do not neccessarily mean a quality issue. They are to assist dealer technicians with some more common issues, fixes, firmware updates, part improvements, etc. Much different than recalls. I have seen many other makes with close to one hundred TSB's as the years have gone by.
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Your local Ford dealer is irrelevant to this thread. "Most" of < 100k /year Tundra owners compared to "most" of 700k / year F150 owners....
Tsb's are meant to assist technicians and owners in fixing potential issues that could happen. Some of these could affect very few vehicles or as others mentioned, all the models Toyota makes. They can be general information.
If they stop putting out tsb's because people judge reliability based on them, it would be a real bad thing for technicians.
Aside from the TSBs, I don't think the launch has gone quite as well as they had hoped. Not terrible by any means but hard to live up to the reputation of that beautiful V8 in the previous generation.
Last week we were on vacation at the lake of the Ozarks and I met a guy who had a pristine 2019 extra cab, I mean this thing was beautiful. Anyways he said he has several friends who have the 22s and all of them have been back to the dealer for one thing or another including turbo issues.
But it is Toyota so I'm sure all issues will be worked out and it will turn out to be a good platform
Last week we were on vacation at the lake of the Ozarks and I met a guy who had a pristine 2019 extra cab, I mean this thing was beautiful. Anyways he said he has several friends who have the 22s and all of them have been back to the dealer for one thing or another including turbo issues.
But it is Toyota so I'm sure all issues will be worked out and it will turn out to be a good platform
Seems excessive to me, and I’m one of the resident fanbois.
But I don’t think the prior gen didn’t have its issues either. Steering racks, front diffs, water pumps, cam tower leaks, only some of them had TSB’s. I liked mine but Corolla quality it wasn’t.
But I don’t think the prior gen didn’t have its issues either. Steering racks, front diffs, water pumps, cam tower leaks, only some of them had TSB’s. I liked mine but Corolla quality it wasn’t.
A technical service bulletin is not a recall.
Several of the TSBs were for things like software updates to the infotainment system.
Hardly a failure in design, engineering, or manufacturing.
Several of the TSBs were for things like software updates to the infotainment system.
Hardly a failure in design, engineering, or manufacturing.
Emphasis is mine. But pretty much highlights how we, instead of holding the corporations accountable for their mistakes, talk ourselves into believing there is no issue. Not only that, people believe they need to protect the said corporations for some odd reason.
But these aren’t the “issues” you make them out to be.
A software update to the stereo isn’t an “issue” for which Toyota should be “accountable for their mistakes”.
These are updates to vehicle servicing information that become apparent through experience. And software updates are a way of life now. Some companies push them over the air, some do it in shop, but updating software is a reality now.
A recall for frame rust - that’s an issue. And Toyota was held accountable for making a frame that failed too easily and too early. They had to replace those frames.
But not one of these 17 TSBs was even close to being a safety issue. They’re all just servicing information.
+1
New vehicles are complicated, and a lot of the TSBs are software related updates. Something that is very common in the IT world with new release products.
