Lemon 2023 Nissan Frontier

[Tdbo]

Agreed. CPO is really just nomenclature, and only applies under specific conditions. It was CPO if purchased through Nissan (dealer).

By his own admission OP purchased through another manufacturer dealer, and understood he forfeit the warranty. CPO without a CPO warranty is not CPO.

Just because it could have been CPO under different circumstances is meaningless.

Furthermore, I tend to agree with Lehto that the whole CPO thing is kinda ridiculous (I'm paraphrasing). They're trying to convince the consumer this is something like a third category between new and used, but really it's just used. It feels a bit like calling your second mortgage a "line of credit." It's just a mortgage. And CPO is just a used car with fancy letters -- especially when any warranty is forfeit.

The fact that Nissan is willing to replace the frame under the circumstances is impressive and stand-up.

A "CPO" certification is merely a means to sell an extended warranty, and make the purchase of a used vehicle more palatable.
In other words, make it seem more refurbished than used up.
The saga of the OP is largely fluid.
When one says "If its advertised CPO that means it was," does not mean that it is. He tends to think that that means something.
It doesn't mean squat if you don't purchase the CPO warranty.
So, he just needs to stop polluting the argument with it. It is not germane to the situation.
In regards to the frame, It's obvious that Nissan screwed up.
They stepped up and fulfilled their obligation. Good for them.
God knows they can't afford any more bad PR.

 

[Hootbro]

What happens with the vin on the frame? Does the new frame get the same #'s?

New frame should get the same VIN numbers.

Had a Chevy S10 frame replaced in the late 1990's and that is what they did.

 

[c502cid]

A side CPO story. During Covid my kid needed a car and she was looking at GM CPO cuv's, she was convinced it was the way to go. I wanted her to do the legwork but I'd be with her to do the deal as it was her first dealership purchase. She found one and the salesman went on and on about how CPO meant so much more than just buying used and it gets a super duper inspection.... I ask the dealership to let us have it for the day and make sure she likes it.

So she is driving it home and I'm following her. We didn't go a mile and I notice the brake lights aren't working. The brake lights. Heck of an inspection, and it confirmed everything everyone is saying, it's just an extended warranty and no one checks them out.

We ended up buying new. It had less options but it was about $3000 cheaper than the 2 year old CPO with 20,000 miles on it. It wasn't a great time to be buying a car but she came out ok.

 

[Owen Lucas]

A "CPO" certification is merely a means to sell an extended warranty, and make the purchase of a used vehicle more palatable.
In other words, make it seem more refurbished than used up.
The saga of the OP is largely fluid.
When one says "If its advertised CPO that means it was," does not mean that it is. He tends to think that that means something.
It doesn't mean squat if you don't purchase the CPO warranty.
So, he just needs to stop polluting the argument with it. It is not germane to the situation.
In regards to the frame, It's obvious that Nissan screwed up.
They stepped up and fulfilled their obligation. Good for them.
God knows they can't afford any more bad PR.

The advantage of CPO is it already comes with an extended warranty, since the inspection of the vehicle indicates it is in good shape and the manufacturer can stand behind it. Doesn't mean the dealer won't try to sell even more warranties on it lol.

 

[Tdbo]

The advantage of CPO is it already comes with an extended warranty, since the inspection of the vehicle indicates it is in good shape and the manufacturer can stand behind it. Doesn't mean the dealer won't try to sell even more warranties on it lol.

The extended warranty is what is being sold.
They may throw in some OC's, other service, or maybe free loaner cars if necessary.
I'm sure there is probably some other fluff tossed in as well that I am unaware of.
However, the idea is to make used car buying (where dealers make the most money) as warm and fuzzy as possible.

 

[twouvakind]

More buzz
https://www.thedrive.com/news/nissa...sing-frame-welds-on-certified-pre-owned-truck

This also spurred a Jalopnik story.

 

[M1Accord]

I'd get it fixed and trade it in when the warranty was up or sooner if I was over the truck.

Note to self: Don’t buy used Nissan. and don’t buy Nissan.

 

[Hootbro]

Note to self: Don’t buy used Nissan. and don’t buy Nissan.

Could pretty much apply that to any vehicle used.

 

[We're Metals]

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[Mathew_Boss]

My journey on this truck now has an end in sight. Now back to truck shopping.

We have been test driving a bunch of different trucks. The gladiator is the most unique. It seems gimmicky like the kind you think is cool at first but you hate later type.

 

[Hootbro]

My journey on this truck now has an end in sight. Now back to truck shopping.

We have been test driving a bunch of different trucks. The gladiator is the most unique. It seems gimmicky like the kind you think is cool at first but you hate later type.

Own a 2022 Gladiator. It is a lifestyle vehicle first and truck second. If you are not the off road lifestyle type, it will seem like a waste. If you are one that likes to accessorize and tinker, it is a grown mans Barbie doll.

 

[D60]

Own a 2022 Gladiator. It is a lifestyle vehicle first and truck second. If you are not the off road lifestyle type, it will seem like a waste. If you are one that likes to accessorize and tinker, it is a grown mans Barbie doll.

Agreed. The only other good thing about a Wrangler (same thing) is that aftermarket support will be HUGE for decades to come.

I mean even if modules start dying or other weird issues crop up, a solution WILL BE found by the aftermarket. Case in point is the Tazer which allows a fairly broad range of customization to lots of parameters and features.

Even if Stellantis closed its doors tomorrow you'll have no problem getting JL/JT parts for a long time.

That said, this is not necessarily a reason to buy.

 

[dishdude]

Own a 2022 Gladiator. It is a lifestyle vehicle first and truck second. If you are not the off road lifestyle type, it will seem like a waste. If you are one that likes to accessorize and tinker, it is a grown mans Barbie doll.

idk, I just spent a lot of time in one and it really grew on me.

 

[PF52]

Agreed. The only other good thing about a Wrangler (same thing) is that aftermarket support will be HUGE for decades to come.

+2

The only thing I miss (and I really do mean the ONLY thing) about my brief CJ-7 ownership was its enormous aftermarket support. And that was years and years ago! It has only exploded since then.

 

[Cheetah-kins]

So OP didn't in fact buy the warranty from Nissan because his brother got him some type of deal? Well then didn't he just buy a used truck as-is? Why is Nissan replacing the frame if that's the case, couldn't they have just said 'too bad about the welds, you should've bought our warranty'. Incredibly confusing thread.

 

[KrisZ]

So OP didn't in fact buy the warranty from Nissan because his brother got him some type of deal? Well then didn't he just buy a used truck as-is? Why is Nissan replacing the frame if that's the case, couldn't they have just said 'too bad about the welds, you should've bought our warranty'. Incredibly confusing thread.

Because OPs truck is still under the original manufacturer warranty.

 

[Nukeman7]

So OP didn't in fact buy the warranty from Nissan because his brother got him some type of deal? Well then didn't he just buy a used truck as-is? Why is Nissan replacing the frame if that's the case, couldn't they have just said 'too bad about the welds, you should've bought our warranty'. Incredibly confusing thread.

The Frontier is a year old and has ~14K miles on it, so the original new car warranty (3 yrs & 36,000 miles?) from NISSAN is still in effect. That would cover the bad weld on the frame as it obviously came from the factory defective.

 

[Mathew_Boss]

So OP didn't in fact buy the warranty from Nissan because his brother got him some type of deal? Well then didn't he just buy a used truck as-is? Why is Nissan replacing the frame if that's the case, couldn't they have just said 'too bad about the welds, you should've bought our warranty'. Incredibly confusing thread.

They told us last week they want to buy it back so we have started that process now.

Since the replacement frame was the wrong one and it's now had more frames assigned to it than it's had oil changes in its life. I'm just glad this nightmare is coming to an end. We have now tested 11 different trucks. We are leaning towards the Colorado Trail Boss as being a replacement.

 

[DuckRyder]

Well let us know how the new truck goes.

Have you looked at a new Ranger?

Colorado seems like a nice truck.

 

[Hootbro]

They told us last week they want to buy it back so we have started that process now.

Who is actually buying it back? Dealership or Nissan Corporate?

I have a feeling that vehicle is going to get crushed and written off rather than them deal with the frame swap.