Valvoline R&P Oil Burner Test Results

DIYDave has been trying everything suggested by his viewers over the last 4 years. As an experiment, he wanted to try everything prior to doing a teardown, which he finally did.

TLDR or Watch: In order, he tried Seafoam, Marvel Mystery Oil, Motor Medic Motor Flush, PCV valve, Bar's stop leak, Replaced Valve stem seals, Supertech Motor Treatment, 2 rounds of Berryman's B12 Chemtool piston soaks, ATS 505 CRO, Yamalube Ring Free, BG 109 EPR, HPL EC, HPL 5W-30 No VII, BG Dynamic Platinum Engine Restoration (the 2 gallon treatment), Valvoline Premium Blue Restore.

Of all that, the Berryman's B12 soaks made the most difference in consumption, but not much.

On teardown, the rings were all quite clean.

What I found surprising was that despite all these treatments, the engine was still varnished upon disassembly.
What was causing the oil consumption?? Did he get it fixed?
 
Sorry to go slightly off topic. I am considering a Valvoline R&P 10k OCI.

Would anyone know if the cleaning ingredient in Valvoline R&P would keep cleaning for the full 10k OCI?
Also, has anyone tried a 10k OCI with Valvoline R&P?

I've seen a few posts here on BITOG critical of Valvoline R&P as not an extended drain oil.
But wondering if the UOA's for 10K OCI with Valvoline R&P have shown it's just as good as Mobil 1, Amsoil, etc for a 10k OCI?

I wouldn't. In my Volvo, at 5100 miles, TBN was down to something like 2.1 I believe.
 
What was causing the oil consumption?? Did he get it fixed?
There's at least one more video to this series, maybe two. It looks to me like the problem might have been the valve stem seals not installed properly?

The original problem was likely a combination of stuck rings and leaking valve stem seals.
 
DIYDave has been trying everything suggested by his viewers over the last 4 years. As an experiment, he wanted to try everything prior to doing a teardown, which

On teardown, the rings were all quite clean.

What I found surprising was that despite all these treatments, the engine was still varnished upon disassembly.

The cleanliness of his rings was wild. I didn't know rings could be that clean! Even when Amsoil or Valvoline post their pistons/rings, they don't look that clean!
 
A quick update on my VRP experience: I just changed to the second round at 3500 miles. The oil that drained out looked brown but not black, only a few shades darker than the original amber color. Cut the oil filter open and found nothing of interest but a little bit of black at the bottom of the filter. Just a whisper. But as stated I don't expect much out of an engine with less than 40k miles. I've only jumped on the VRP bandwagon because it's a new product and I wanted to try it, not because I have a problem to solve.

The truck is a 2014 F250 with 6.2L V8.

With that said, I was really keen on seeing if the same noise reduction and drivability changes would return. And again, it's much quieter at start-up and the tip-in on the throttle is more responsive. I truly have no explanation for either, though I can believe the noise reduction might be a function of shear stability (sheared oil = more noise). The fact that the engine takes noticeably less throttle input to drive the same exact route is baffling.

Will let you all know when it returns to normal noise and throttle input. I'm trying to decide if I should stay with VRP (again, there is no problem here) or the next run should be something else.
 
There's at least one more video to this series, maybe two. It looks to me like the problem might have been the valve stem seals not installed properly?

The original problem was likely a combination of stuck rings and leaking valve stem seals.
Just to make sure I understand, his oil burning problem was multifactorial, and he resolved the stuck rings with a bunch of different flushes and oils, but the leaking valve stem seals persisted so he still burned oil?
 
Sorry to go slightly off topic. I am considering a Valvoline R&P 10k OCI.

Would anyone know if the cleaning ingredient in Valvoline R&P would keep cleaning for the full 10k OCI?
Also, has anyone tried a 10k OCI with Valvoline R&P?

I've seen a few posts here on BITOG critical of Valvoline R&P as not an extended drain oil.
But wondering if the UOA's for 10K OCI with Valvoline R&P have shown it's just as good as Mobil 1, Amsoil, etc for a 10k OCI?
It may shear, it felt like it.
I m 2k into my 2nd run, this time 5w-30. I’m on my 4th filter change though. The 3rd filter interval I thought it had lost lubricity honestly, but a new ph3600 and near quart of new oil she runs better than ever. Ford Duratec 2.3.

I would never run any oil 10k, VRP no exception.
 
DIYDave has been trying everything suggested by his viewers over the last 4 years. As an experiment, he wanted to try everything prior to doing a teardown, which he finally did.

TLDR or Watch: In order, he tried Seafoam, Marvel Mystery Oil, Motor Medic Motor Flush, PCV valve, Bar's stop leak, Replaced Valve stem seals, Supertech Motor Treatment, 2 rounds of Berryman's B12 Chemtool piston soaks, ATS 505 CRO, Yamalube Ring Free, BG 109 EPR, HPL EC, HPL 5W-30 No VII, BG Dynamic Platinum Engine Restoration (the 2 gallon treatment), Valvoline Premium Blue Restore.

Of all that, the Berryman's B12 soaks made the most difference in consumption, but not much.

On teardown, the rings were all quite clean.

What I found surprising was that despite all these treatments, the engine was still varnished upon disassembly.
I wonder which oils specifically can clean up varnish in an engine ? Valvoline Restore & Protect targets piston deposits while other synthrtic oils target sludge . It could be that VR&P also does a good job removing varnish but not has been said besides topics on piston / deposits .
 
Just passed 5k miles on my 4th and final oci of Valvoline R&P for a total of 20k miles. It’s been hard to keep my mouth shut but here are the details and results!!

2018 Subaru Outback that I bought new. Started burning oil right at about 60k miles. Before that it only used about a 1/4 quart in a 5k mile oci. It started using 1 quart in 5k miles and steadily increased to almost 3 quarts in 5k miles. I was adding a little over a quart every 2k miles when I started this test. I have done every service myself on this vehicle including the pcv valve on time. I’ve only used a couple high quality full synthetic oils at 5k mile oci’s since new. The internals have always been spotless. I used a borescope and found oil wash on 3 pistons confirming my suspicion of stuck low tension oil rings. Here are the oils I’ve used in detail.

500-35k miles M1 FS 0w40
35k-100k miles Valvoline EP 5w30
100k-110k Amsoil SS 5w30
110k-130k Valvoline R&P 5w30

Results with R&P:

1st oci=no change

2nd oci= no change(almost gave up)

3rd oci=added 1/2 qt at 2k miles, 1/2 qt at 4k miles! Used a little over a quart in 5k mile oci.

4th oci=added 1/2 quart at 3k miles and used a total of less than 3/4 quart in 5k mile oci.

So R&P has improved my oil consumption from almost 3 quarts per 5k miles to less than 3/4 quarts in 5k miles. Not 100% but not to shabby if you ask me. I highly recommend people give R&P a try for at least 4 oci’s.

My plan is to run M1 ESP 0w30 for the foreseeable future. I want to see if this oil will keep my piston rings as is. I will continue to update this thread with any changes.
Awesome!

3/4 quart is the natural consumption on boxer engines over its OCI. So I would say you got it to 100% factory. My EJ25 always burned 3/4 quart in 5k miles.

But, isn’t EP what got the rings stuck in the first place?
 
Awesome!

3/4 quart is the natural consumption on boxer engines over its OCI. So I would say you got it to 100% factory. My EJ25 always burned 3/4 quart in 5k miles.

But, isn’t EP what got the rings stuck in the first place?
This. Why wouldn’t you stick with what cleaned it up to stay clean?
 
Awesome!

3/4 quart is the natural consumption on boxer engines over its OCI. So I would say you got it to 100% factory. My EJ25 always burned 3/4 quart in 5k miles.

But, isn’t EP what got the rings stuck in the first place?
Hard to know for sure, but probably the Valvoline EP is maybe what caused it based on the total percentage of miles it was run?

She is running M1 ESP not EP now to see if the rings stick again.
 
Yep, great thread... and may I add a little "How Dare You!"

Just when I've landed on my oil of choice for the 2.0 Turbos (M1 0w40), y'all get in my head about ring deposits and protecting this and restoring that...

And Yes, only a true Bitog'er would run across the border to upstate NY to buy out all the R&P at the local USA Walmart.

This 11 year old girl just finished a 3k run of ST5w30 after buying her recently. The engine is clean as a whistle though the filler cap, so this is just because of those darn evil coked up rings I can't see... it's like an invisible enemy and this is the only way I can fight them!

:cool: :cool:

And @buster can now exit my head, stage left.

Ahem...
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Just when I've landed on my oil of choice for the 2.0 Turbos (M1 0w40), y'all get in my head about ring deposits and protecting this and restoring that...
Lol, same thing happened to me, except 3.0 turbo.

I let OCD get the best of me and tried to split the difference between ring cleaning, and HTHS, right or wrong I added Schaeffer's 132 Moly E.P. (read thick)

So looking forward to Glenda W's next round of testing.
 
Despite not completing the recommended 4 VRP oil changes yet ( will be done by July ), I can report that my oil consumption has been noticeably HiGHER using VRP than any other brand I was using.

Burning 1 quart per 2200 miles with VRP ( 5w30 ) compared to going through a quart every 4000 miles with HPL PP 0w30 and 1 quart every 3000 miles with Amsoil SS 0w30.

It’s possible that the consumption would be higher with any oil as the mileage increases but I bet it will be lower when I switch back to my regular oils.

My regular oil will be HPL in this engine once I am finished with VRP due to the lowest oil consumption.

Thought some might be interested.
 
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Despite not completing the recommended 4 VRP oil changes yet ( will be done by July ), I can report that my oil consumption has been noticeably HiGHER using VRP than any other brand I was using.

Burning 1 quart per 2200 miles with VRP ( 5w30 ) compared to going through a quart every 4000 miles with HPL PP 0w30 and 1 quart every 3000 miles with Amsoil SS 0w30.

It’s possible that the consumption would be higher with any oil as the mileage increases but I bet it will be lower when I switch back to my regular oils.

My regular oil will be HPL in this engine once I am finished with VRP due to the lowest oil consumption.

Thought some might be interested.
I’m pretty certain R&P has more evaporated loss, is less shear resistant, and can’t handle much over a 5k interval. Especially compared to Amsoil and HPL. With all those oils I’d bet your engine is spotless!!
 
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