Why not use Valvoline R&P as the "forever oil"?

[picklyrickly1073]

I plan to use it consistently going forward, not sure why someone would be apprehensive of this.

 

[Patman]

I plan to use it consistently going forward, not sure why someone would be apprehensive of this.

In some cases it might be that we just don’t know if it is formulated to go much beyond about 6k, so if someone wants to do a bit longer intervals then there is a big question mark here.

 

[picklyrickly1073]

In some cases it might be that we just don’t know if it is formulated to go much beyond about 6k, so if someone wants to do a bit longer intervals then there is a big question mark here.

Personally I’m only going to 5k anyway so not a concern. I assume people using this would be DIYers and assumed they were mostly in the change it often camp

 

[Patman]

Personally I’m only going to 5k anyway so not a concern. I assume people using this would be DIYers and assumed they were mostly in the change it often camp

You are probably right but there could be a few others like me who do 9-10k intervals (in my Civic)

 

[picklyrickly1073]

You are probably right but there could be a few others like me who do 9-10k intervals (in my Civic)

In my civic a DIY oil change costs me under $30, if I stretch the interval maybe I can save 2 a year. I can think of better ways to save $60

 

[ChrisD46]

As long as I can get good trending information on the battery being tested / then I would be happy with any of the higher rated , easy to understand battery testers from Amazon.

 

[Patman]

In my civic a DIY oil change costs me under $30, if I stretch the interval maybe I can save 2 a year. I can think of better ways to save $60

For me it’s not as if I can’t afford it (although at the same time I never like spending money that I feel is unnecessary). I can’t do oil changes at my condo so I need to go to my dad’s house to do it, and so that’s a little bit inconvenient. I drive about 20 to 25k per year and so I would rather be doing only 2 or 3 changes a year vs 5. And also, I know that there are oils out there that can handle 10k intervals in my Civic with ease so I would rather be using those in the long run. I stopped doing short OCIs more than 20 years ago now and I have no intention of going back there again.

 

[chrisgraham]

Let me preface this though experiment by stipulating that I understand the following:

1) R&P is not, or at least is not advertised, as an extended drain interval; let's assume a normie 5K-ish drain interval
2) R&P, currently, does not offer a wide selection of viscosities so if your vehicle requires a 0w40, here in the USA, R&P would be out; let's assume most cars require or recommend a 0w20 or 5w30 that R&P offers
3) R&P, currently, is not offered in the USA in Euro flavors

With those things stipulated, what arguments could be made that R&P is *not* a good consistent use/long term oil for most vehicles. At Walmart, it's part of the 5qt jug at approx $29 cadre, so why would one not select it. I'm making this argument in good faith; just curious if there is a reason it would not be the ideal choice for vehicles/use cases that don't fit the stipulations above.

I just converted to 5W 30 VRP in my '19 Tucson with the 2.4 Theta II, an engine well known for excessive carbon/sludge buildup in general, particularly around its oil control rings. But that being said, I don't see that it would be a problem to use this oil in many other engines as well.

 

[FlyingTexan]

Maybe ignore marketing hype for starters, and an impossible task of tracking biased anecdotes unless you have the patience of 4 OCIs. The only way of knowing results is to pull a valve cover gasket each time. Pretty clever on their part. I'm not going to deny the scientist behind it or the theory of a slow clean produces results, but I highly doubt anyone can claim removing varnish did anything measurable.

Anecdotes? There’s many before/after borescopes of motors. You have to basically be purposefully not looking.

 

[cptbarkey]

Anecdotes? There’s many before/after borescopes of motors. You have to basically be purposefully not looking.

You misread my statement, go back and re-read it.

I'll address your comment, no I am not going to sift through 102 pages of forum posts where 95 percent of the content is not data.
I'm also not going to watch a hundred 20 minute videos of Cleatus trying out R&P for the first time, telling me about his dog and his broken down 1980s Bronco 2 that he didnt change the oil but he wants to see what happens.

 

[Faawrenchbndr]

I guess I am of dinosaur mentality. I’m struggling to wrap my head around OCI greater than 3k. I’m barely comfortable with an 5k OCI.

With that being said, I’ve switched the 08 FJ to 5w30 Valvoline RP. It had a Mobil 1 diet, always changed at or before 5k.

The 24 F150 is going to get it as well. Was going to run AMSOIL but with a 5k OCI, that would be a complete waste for sure.

 

[FlyingTexan]

You misread my statement, go back and re-read it.

I'll address your comment, no I am not going to sift through 102 pages of forum posts where 95 percent of the content is not data.
I'm also not going to watch a hundred 20 minute videos of Cleatus trying out R&P for the first time, telling me about his dog and his broken down 1980s Bronco 2 that he didnt change the oil but he wants to see what happens.

I didn’t misread anything “impossible task of tracking biased anecdotes” seemed pretty clearly written. What’s biased or anecdotal about before/after footage of the engine internals? A hundred 20min videos and 102 pages of forum posts. You’re very bad at using the internet if that’s what takes for you to find anything.

 

[Intelligent Molecule]

I did the first change of R&P on my 2005 Sienna van at 5k miles today. The van has 276k miles, and, as of late, has been using about 1.25 qts. in that interval on full synthetic, and a little less than 1 on blend. This time I used 1.25, so no change yet.

Van ran and sounded good on the oil, but it did on every other brand I've used also, so nothing new there.

I bought it at Walmart for $30 plus tax, and went to the Valvoline site and submitted the rebate offer, which went through quickly. I'll have $5 sent to my paypal account in a day or two-very easy and quick rebate procedure.

Unless they decide to jack the price up, I'll continue with this product for the 4 intervals and beyond. The only thing that will stop that is if the engine starts to leak. If it does, I'll move over to the red bottle Maxlife, and use that until it's time to send it off to the boneyard.

 

[Sequoiasoon]

I guess I am of dinosaur mentality. I’m struggling to wrap my head around OCI greater than 3k. I’m barely comfortable with an 5k OCI.

With that being said, I’ve switched the 08 FJ to 5w30 Valvoline RP. It had a Mobil 1 diet, always changed at or before 5k.

The 24 F150 is going to get it as well. Was going to run AMSOIL but with a 5k OCI, that would be a complete waste for sure.

If you don't have one yet, pick up a filter cutter so you can crack them open looking for carbon stuff.

We like pictures. We might be disturbed in general or just disturbed if we see lots of carbon things after a steady M1 diet prior.

 

[KCJeep]

Valvoline considers R&P as their top tier offering. There is no way it won't tolerate OCI's calculated by typical OLM's which in my Ford would be about 9k.

Until I see some UOA's where R&P is not up to the task, sudden speculation it's a short OCI oil is just the next round of spitballs. Remember when this oil first came out and half the board pronounced the cleaning claims as nothing but marketing? Didn't take long for those comments to fade away.

 

[Faawrenchbndr]

If you don't have one yet, pick up a filter cutter so you can crack them open looking for carbon stuff.

We like pictures. We might be disturbed in general or just disturbed if we see lots of carbon things after a steady M1 diet prior.

I have one.
Pulled the filter off the Toyota after about 350
No sludge but did find some small black bits. When touched they melted away to a black smudge.

 

[Zee09]

Valvoline considers R&P as their top tier offering. There is no way it won't tolerate OCI's calculated by typical OLM's which in my Ford would be about 9k.

Until I see some UOA's where R&P is not up to the task, sudden speculation it's a short OCI oil is just the next round of spitballs. Remember when this oil first came out and half the board pronounced the cleaning claims as nothing but marketing? Didn't take long for those comments to fade away.

What is your go to oil right now

 

[KCJeep]

What is your go to oil right now

Right now, it's Valvoline EP and has been for a while. In a brand-new engine I don't need the secret cleaning sauce, I'll take the extra anti-wear additives. I have wondered if R&P might be a good idea every 4th change or so though for cleaning maintenance.

 

[Zee09]

Right now, it's Valvoline EP and has been for a while. In a brand-new engine I don't need the secret cleaning sauce, I'll take the extra anti-wear additives. I have wondered if R&P might be a good idea every 4th change or so though for cleaning maintenance.

Totally agree

 

[FlyingTexan]

I did the first change of R&P on my 2005 Sienna van at 5k miles today. The van has 276k miles, and, as of late, has been using about 1.25 qts. in that interval on full synthetic, and a little less than 1 on blend. This time I used 1.25, so no change yet.

Van ran and sounded good on the oil, but it did on every other brand I've used also, so nothing new there.

I bought it at Walmart for $30 plus tax, and went to the Valvoline site and submitted the rebate offer, which went through quickly. I'll have $5 sent to my paypal account in a day or two-very easy and quick rebate procedure.

Unless they decide to jack the price up, I'll continue with this product for the 4 intervals and beyond. The only thing that will stop that is if the engine starts to leak. If it does, I'll move over to the red bottle Maxlife, and use that until it's time to send it off to the boneyard.

Might be worth finding where the leak is and sealing it.