So far. Just checking the integrity of the dealership.Still running with no issues?
So far. Just checking the integrity of the dealership.Still running with no issues?
40 some years ago I spent a summer working at the Amoco refinery in Whiting, Indiana. They canned, in addition to their own brand, Montgomery Ward, International Harvester, John Deere and FordIs there a running thread keeping up with what manufacturers dealer oils are? (I did search but found not much) If not, would it be informative to have one?
For example, we know subaru is Idemitsu oil. I think a fee other japanese cars are, too.
Maybe we could include UOA if we get them too.
The reason I'm asking: I'm curious what Hyundai/Kia uses for their dealer/bulk oil since we plan on sticking with the oem services for my wife's 2024 seltos that gets about <4k miles per year.
As I understand its TOYOTA branded oil, which used to be a MOBIL product (probably still is).Toyota Dealers oil used ?
Most use TGMO because the pricing is so cheap compared to major brands:Toyota Dealers oil used ?
It’s hard to say for certain. Maybe Kendall havoline possibly even Amalie.Just going by instinct, I'd expect to see a good amount of Safety Kleen in dealership bulk tanks.
Most use TGMO because the pricing is so cheap compared to major brands:
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2024/MC-10253223-9999.pdf
Mobil is the blender for Toyota. Toyota probably uses its own recipe for the oil given its knowledge of the composition of the metals and alloys used in its engines.But for the most part should be the same as any other good oils. My Toyota dealer said "Pennzoil Synthetic Blend". But looking inside the engine oil fill hole and Oil filter housing there is lot of carbon and varnish. I doubt if they even use that. Probably some cheapest oil they could find. I have since resorted to changing the oil myself.As I understand its TOYOTA branded oil, which used to be a MOBIL product (probably still is).
This was true as of my last LEXUS purchase roughly 6mo ago anyway at my local LEX/TOY dealer.
Is it known whp H/K is going to?The amount of mis-information in this thread is staggering. Seriously people, if you don’t know don’t comment.
Ford - P66 is the OEM - almost every Ford dealership uses motorcraft. Ford comes down very hard and punishes dealers who are not using motorcraft in a big way.
Honda - P66 for bulk - approximately ~90% of Honda stores are on the Honda program nation wide. In my market, we are approximately 97% on this.
Subaru - Majority of Subaru dealers, are actually on the idemitsu program.
Mazda - Idemitsu.
Nissan - Idemitsu.
Kia / Hyundai - Total, but in the process of changing to another manufacturer by 2025.
GM - Mobil at the stores, Mobil / P66 factory fill. I’d guess 80% or more are on the GM/Mobil program. Not 100% sure on the market penetration of this program. As I’m not a Mobil distributor.
Mopar / Stellantis - Pennzoil (Shell) - 80% or greater market penetration. They’re coming back hard on dealerships that went off program recently.
Toyota - Mobil, again probably 80% or so on that. The Toyota program is pretty strong.
Volkswagen group - all over the place and changes semi regularly. Mobil or Shell are the top 2.
BMW - Shell in the U.S.
Mercedes - Fuchs. Because reasons.
You have a very high chance of getting the major who makes it, in your car, if you go to the dealership.
Dealerships are both extremely incentivized and pressured by the OEM, to use the OEM oil programs.
Yes that's my fear. I get free oil & filter changes every 5,000 miles for life at the Nissan dealer from whom I bought my 2019 Altima SL new. They claim they use Genuine Nissan oil, but since it is bulk, who knows. So I sampled it two weeks ago and am waiting for the UOA report from Blackstone. I am as interested in the additive metals and viscosity as I am the wear metals.
Is it known whp H/K is going to?
Problem is every dealer could use a different bulk oil distributor. You really don’t know what your getting and dealers normally rely on the distributor being honest.
Would be interesting to have a list of manufacturers oil but even that changes and possibly even different by region.
Castrol since February 2021.The amount of mis-information in this thread is staggering. Seriously people, if you don’t know don’t comment.
Ford - P66 is the OEM - almost every Ford dealership uses motorcraft. Ford comes down very hard and punishes dealers who are not using motorcraft in a big way.
Honda - P66 for bulk - approximately ~90% of Honda stores are on the Honda program nation wide. In my market, we are approximately 97% on this.
Subaru - Majority of Subaru dealers, are actually on the idemitsu program.
Mazda - Idemitsu.
Nissan - Idemitsu.
Kia / Hyundai - Total, but in the process of changing to another manufacturer by 2025.
GM - Mobil at the stores, Mobil / P66 factory fill. I’d guess 80% or more are on the GM/Mobil program. Not 100% sure on the market penetration of this program. As I’m not a Mobil distributor.
Mopar / Stellantis - Pennzoil (Shell) - 80% or greater market penetration. They’re coming back hard on dealerships that went off program recently.
Toyota - Mobil, again probably 80% or so on that. The Toyota program is pretty strong.
Volkswagen group - all over the place and changes semi regularly. Mobil or Shell are the top 2.
BMW - Shell in the U.S.
Mercedes - Fuchs. Because reasons.
You have a very high chance of getting the major who makes it, in your car, if you go to the dealership.
Dealerships are both extremely incentivized and pressured by the OEM, to use the OEM oil programs.
^ This^Will you get caught? Also yes. Eventually.
I worked at a GM dealer for 12 years up until 1994. We never tested our bulk tanks. Our local distributor filled them with Quaker State. You could buy GM labeled oil(ac delco) at the parts counter. I also witnessed the only oil related engine failures of my lifetime when Quaker State was solidifying under a certain temperature. They replaced hundreds of engines at our dealer.The amount of QC checks that OEM programs have for their distributors is staggering.
Could you / can you cheat? Yes.
Will you get caught? Also yes. Eventually.
The punishment if you get caught is a flat out removal of your contract. End of story. It’s not worth the risk vs financial investment you have in getting that distributor contract. Anymore, only major players get OEM delivery contracts. And it’s not worth our time to cheat. Companies like mine, Reladyne, Brenntag, etc. it’s just not worth it. We have millions upon millions of dollars invested in these contracts. Cheat to make a few grand more?
Not worth our time vs the risk of losing it and the black eye that comes with it.
Edit:
I can go through the different distribution models if desired. Theres about 3 of them.
Castrol since February 2021.