What's wrong with my Audi A4?

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If BMW would have passed on supplying a dipstick to my Mini it wouldn't even make much of a difference. It's the hardest to read I've ever seen. Best to just fill in four liters every 5000-6000 mls (don't forget draining before).
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The Mini oil dipstick is unique. I replaced it with a proper one from cravenspeed.com.
 
Nothing is wrong I guess? The current crop of EA888 gen 3 2.0s and 1.8s in the VAG cars are bulletproof and don't have oil consumption issues. My gen 3 1.8 uses zero that I can tell between changes and one of those was 9K miles.
 
Oh, wait, it's got an o-ring and a handle. They didn't even cheap out on this crap, er... cap.
What would a dipstick cost more instead of this piece of art? One additional Euro?
daimlerchrysler pioneered the blanking cap and level sensor arrangement, first seen in the 2001 W203. they were also the first to delete the oil pressure warning light, the 3 valve engines were so reliable they didn’t even need one.

unfortunately in the mid 2000s they decided to reintroduce dipsticks across their lineup and now other manufacturers are taking advantage of their hard work
 
I dumped 5.1 quarts in my BMW. The electric 'dipstick' worked pretty well. It showed right on the full mark, and it only took about 30 seconds for it to check.
 
I have a 2020 Audi A4 quattro, 2.0L, TFSI. I change my own oil. Last change was at 10,000 miles with OEM 0W-30 VW 504/507 oil. Current mileage is 19,000. The engine doesn't come with a dipstick, but I found a VW dipstick that would show a full OC about 3mm above the full mark.

Here's the problem. After 9000 miles both the MMI oil monitor and the dipstick show the oil as full. Maybe the level on the dipstick is down 1mm, but no more.

What is wrong with my motor? Why isn't it using more oil?
don't worry, one of your window switches will stop working soon enough...
 
My sister has a Cooper S. Oil change goes something like, drain, change filter, dump in 5 quarts, drive off.

What year is your sister's Mini? F5X Minis (B48 engine) will require about 5 liters/quarts,
while 4.0 liters (1 Gallon) seem pretty perfect for R55-R61 Minis (N12-N18). I'm aware that
BMW specs 4.2 liters, however on my N16 Cooper the dipstick is at MAX with just 4.0 liters.
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What year is your sister's Mini? F5X Minis (B48 engine) will require about 5 liters/quarts,
while 4.0 liters (1 Gallon) seem pretty perfect for R55-R61 Minis (N12-N18). I'm aware that
BMW specs 4.2 liters, however on my N16 Cooper the dipstick is at MAX with just 4.0 liters.
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It's a 2017

I actually did check it the very first time and it said it was full
 
You joke about it now, but I had a 2017 A4 with the same EA888 gen 3and it didn't use any oil at first. I did all my own changes with Castrol 0w-40 and never abused the engine. As I got to 20k miles it started to consume oil and fast. From 20k to 25k it used about 3/4 of a quart. From 25k to about 27.5k it used about half a quart. The car then got totaled by someone who ran a stop sign so I never got to see how bad the consumption would get. I'm sure that the gen 3 has improved consumption compared to the gen 1 and 2 but it's obvious from the VW and Audi forums that the problem still isn't completely gone.
 
Firstly, welcome to the forum. Hope I don't sound too rough. Excuse me if I do.


From 20k to 25k it used about 3/4 of a quart.

That's 150 ml on 1000 mls or less than 100 ml on 1000 km.


From 25k to about 27.5k it used about half a quart.

That's 200 ml on 1000 mls or slightly more than 100 ml on 1000 km.

Anyway, nothing wrong with that. Even more so since (so far) we don't know the driving conditions.


The car then got totaled by someone who ran a stop sign so I never got to see how bad the consumption would get. I'm sure that the gen 3 has improved consumption compared to the gen 1 and 2 but it's obvious from the VW and Audi forums that the problem still isn't completely gone.

At least until you owned the car actually nothing "bad" did happen and speculating about what
could happen later is just that - speculation. I've read several VW forums over the years and don't see
any "oil burning problem" with this engine. No issues with my all own GTIs, no issues with any of my
friends' 1.8/2.0 TSI/TFSI EA888 3G. I wouldn't go that far saying you proved what I'm saying, however
I'd say you certainly didn't prove there is an issue.

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Firstly, welcome to the forum. Hope I don't sound too rough. Excuse me if I do.
Thanks! And not at all.

At least until you owned the car actually nothing "bad" did happen and speculating about what
could happen later is just that - speculation. I've read several VW forums over the years and don't see
any "oil burning problem" with this engine. No issues with my all own GTIs, no issues with any of my
friends' 1.8/2.0 TSI/TFSI EA888 3G. I wouldn't go that far saying you proved what I'm saying, however
I'd say you certainly didn't prove there is an issue.
The EA888 actually has a very long history of oil consumption. So much so that Audi has a TSB addressing the issue. Consumer Reports also mentions the 2.0T here. The first step is to check the PCV and replace if necessary. If the consumption continues (which it did in most cases), they're authorized to take more and more drastic action including changing the piston rings or even the entire engine. There's also a much more detailed writeup here. A class action lawsuit was also filed and VW AG settled. You can read the text of the settlement here.

Edit: If you're specifically referring to the gen 3 version of the engine, there are plenty of accounts of these engines consuming oil at various rates here, here, here, and here (with examples of the 1.8T). There are also numerous accounts of people who simply ignore the consumption because it doesn't trigger a low oil warning between OCIs. Either way, oil consumption that's "within spec" but requires topping off or very close to needing to be topped off isn't normal these days for engines in this performance class. It's possible that the EA888 gen 3 has more of a spotlight being shined on it because of its predecessors, but my own anecdotal experience reflects the experiences of some of those people in those threads. Again, it does seem like the gen 3 has improved consumption compared to the gen 2.

Unsurprisingly, none of the Toyotas that I or my family have owned have ever burned any noticeable oil. However, my S2000 and 2013 Carrera S do get driven hard and have similarly never burned any noticeable amount of oil. My B9 A4 was by no means a performance car and I never drove it like one. Within spec or not, I considered its level of oil consumption to be abnormal.
 
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Was the OP a serious question? Sure, the EA888 eats oil like a southern ranch family at a Las Vegas buffet, but really? 2020 with 18k and you're worried why your engine DOESN'T show signs of an issue?

This type of question is much more in the realm of my DD: Why doesn't my 232k mile, 22 year old Jeep (equipped with one of the most oil-hungry engines made) use oil? Because. That's why.

There's your answer: Because.
 
My friend has a 2017 Tiguan (first gen) with the 2.0 TSI (don't know what engine gen), and it consumes approximately 1/4L every 5000Km. Mostly city driven. Oil was Castrol 5W40, now the new Mobil version I suppose.
 
The EA888 actually has a very long history of oil consumption. So much so that Audi has a TSB addressing the issue. Consumer Reports also mentions the 2.0T here.

The TSB says "Engine oil consumption too high, 2.0L TFSI (EA888) Model Year 2009 - 2011" and applies to A4/A5/A6 etc, so that's 2nd gen EA888 (which is the first TFSI engine using Valvelift). This issue is well known, it's the piston rings, but we're talking EA888 3G (3rd gen) here because that's what the OP owns. From your second link:

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Remember the EA888 3G was introduced around 2012/2013.


Edit: If you're specifically referring to the gen 3 version of the engine, there are plenty of accounts of these engines consuming oil at various rates here, here, here, and here (with examples of the 1.8T). There are also numerous accounts of people who simply ignore the consumption because it doesn't trigger a low oil warning between OCIs.

Had a quick look into these. Couldn't see any real issues there. Short threads started by someone asking if it's normal that he has to top-up half a quart after 10000 mls. Sorry, I can't take that for serious.


My B9 A4 was by no means a performance car and I never drove it like one. Within spec or not, I considered its level of oil consumption to be abnormal.

Again, your A4 did not suffer from any oil use that can be called "excessive" or "abnormal". 100 ml for 1000 km is pretty normal across the industry and that wasn't even measured in a controlled environment. Please notice I'm not talking about "spec". In the past Audi used to say up to 1 l/1000 km is "within spec". However that's a completely different number than what you think is "abnormal". Actually you were very far from that number.

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We had a '12 Tiguan quite a while, it used a little oil at first but by 110k it was chugging it. If it's not the PCV (common, first thing to do) IMO the turbo is starting to fail, waste gate.
 
The TSB says "Engine oil consumption too high, 2.0L TFSI (EA888) Model Year 2009 - 2011" and applies to A4/A5/A6 etc, so that's 2nd gen EA888 (which is the first TFSI engine using Valvelift). This issue is well known, it's the piston rings, but we're talking EA888 3G (3rd gen) here because that's what the OP owns. From your second link:

CRM_Page_63_Burning_Up_08-15


Remember the EA888 3G was introduced around 2012/2013.




Had a quick look into these. Couldn't see any real issues there. Short threads started by someone asking if it's normal that he has to top-up half a quart after 10000 mls. Sorry, I can't take that for serious.




Again, your A4 did not suffer from any oil use that can be called "excessive" or "abnormal". 100 ml for 1000 km is pretty normal across the industry and that wasn't even measured in a controlled environment. Please notice I'm not talking about "spec". In the past Audi used to say up to 1 l/1000 km is "within spec". However that's a completely different number than what you think is "abnormal". Actually you were very far from that number.

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That isn't the same engine - he has a 2019 which has the gen 3 engine. Yes, the older 2.0s of that era (2.0 FSI) were oil eaters.
 
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