What makes Euro oils different?

[Strumpan_]

European regulations are targeting really really extended oil change intervals. I don’t know how they keep cars running with such crazy intervals. Maybe they want to support the mechanics union and auto manufacturers. 15km, 20km, 30km intervals. Just absolutely bonkers.

Oil here in Europe is also up to 100 bucks for just 5L. If it was 20 bucks like in the states we’d change it more often.

 

[edyvw]

Oil here in Europe is also up to 100 bucks for just 5L. If it was 20 bucks like in the states we’d change it more often.

It depends where. Amazon in Germany has Helix for 45 euro. I have seen it as low as 35 euros in some big chain stores.
I would say in Europe there are fewer deals. Also, diy oil change is not as common bcs. well, space.

 

[svenson]

No, initial depletion is much faster, and the rate falls off as you get down. With 2,100 additional kilometers, the TBN on the oil in the RAM was at 3.77.

is the depletion the same rate for all oils? i thought depends on the chemistry of the oil. f.ex. some oils start higher but fall faster while some others start lower but hard to fall. i think i read it somewhere on forum.

Oil here in Europe is also up to 100 bucks for just 5L. If it was 20 bucks like in the states we’d change it more often.

Hej, i Sverige yes but in rest of europe price for a good brand,motul or mobil is about 65 euros,helix 5-40 and motul 8100 gen 1 5-40 are 2 of the cheapest good oils in europe,about 45-50 euros 5lit. mobil 0-40 fs or castrol 0-30 a3/b4 could go higher on the limit of 70-75.
about 100-120 euros cost redline or HPL 5lit.

 

[OVERKILL]

is the depletion the same rate for all oils? i thought depends on the chemistry of the oil. f.ex. some oils start higher but fall faster while some others start lower but hard to fall. i think i read it somewhere on forum.

No, the depletion rate varies both based on oil chemistry and application characteristics, though I do generally think the tendency for it to slow as it gets lower is reasonably universal.

 

[svenson]

is only using the amount of detergents necessary to meet the performance requirements dictated by the approvals, which is why I am personally a fan of the full-SAPS lubes, as I feel you aren't sacrificing AW chemistry for emissions systems protection, while at the same time, aren't being buried in unnecessary levels of detergents.

this is finally a good ,clear, explaining post about mid vs full saps oils from one of the most experienced , respectable members.
appreciated!

 

[Strumpan_]

is the depletion the same rate for all oils? i thought depends on the chemistry of the oil. f.ex. some oils start higher but fall faster while some others start lower but hard to fall. i think i read it somewhere on forum.

Hej, i Sverige yes but in rest of europe price for a good brand,motul or mobil is about 65 euros,helix 5-40 and motul 8100 gen 1 5-40 are 2 of the cheapest good oils in europe,about 45-50 euros 5lit. mobil 0-40 fs or castrol 0-30 a3/b4 could go higher on the limit of 70-75.
about 100-120 euros cost redline or HPL 5lit.

who even buys HPL in Sweden. Who even imports it.

 

[svenson]

who even buys HPL in Sweden. Who even imports it.

in sweden no one.in finland, they do.maybe you can start thinking of it ,its very close
https://laukkanenmotorsport.fi/b143/hpl

 

[edyvw]

in sweden no one.in finland, they do.maybe you can start thinking of it ,its very close
https://laukkanenmotorsport.fi/b143/hpl

Not the same company:
https://hpracebrands.com/collection...1ySZx0At_Cri46v2D02COAaQiOM1sfpxt7ya4BC0OGPhX

 

[svenson]

Not the same company:
https://hpracebrands.com/collection...1ySZx0At_Cri46v2D02COAaQiOM1sfpxt7ya4BC0OGPhX

is there another one HPL lubricant company made in the usa?
it is the same ,maybe a different packaging for europe.
https://laukkanenmotorsport.fi/p70618/hpl-motor-oil-5w40-1-qt-0-95l

 

[edyvw]

is there another one HPL lubricant company made in the usa?
it is the same ,maybe a different packaging for europe.
https://laukkanenmotorsport.fi/p70618/hpl-motor-oil-5w40-1-qt-0-95l
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It is not the same. HPL we referring is this one: https://www.hplubricants.com/

 

[SimpleSyrup]

The viscosity ratings might look similar to American oils, but European blends are specifically engineered for manufacturers' unique bearing tolerances and turbocharger requirements. It's less about superiority and more about different engineering philosophies meeting regional regulations.

This implies that there's some sort of "standard american" or "standard european" design template. And that Europe is a homogenous place rather than many many countries. There's enormous variances between manufacturers, even wihin the same country. So how can this be true?

 

[OVERKILL]

This implies that there's some sort of "standard american" or "standard european" design template. There's enormous variances between manufacturers, even wihin the same country. So how can this be true?

Indeed, and we know it's NOT true, as evidenced by dexos containing several of the Euro engine tests.

 

[svenson]

It is not the same. HPL we referring is this one: https://www.hplubricants.com/

then i guess there are 2 of them with the same name.at least they are "suggested" to each other as i see.perhaps they collaborate in some way.

 

[edyvw]

then i guess there are 2 of them with the same name.at least they are "suggested" to each other as i see.perhaps they collaborate in some way.
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Probably. Not sure what is relation here.

 

[svenson]

Probably. Not sure what is relation here.

could it be a sub-company? i send an inquiry question..we will see if they answer.

 

[OVERKILL]

could it be a sub-company? i send an inquiry question..we will see if they answer.

No, it's the guy that owns Precision Turbo, Dave and company produce their lubricants for them, similar to how Mobil produces TGMO for Toyota or how Warren produces Supertech for Walmart.

 

[Johnson Johnson]

They do seem to have more issues with sludging. That could be the fuel quality out there, the climate or even API being inferior to ACEA?

 

[GI_GRIFF]

there are always a minority, bonkers

Do we have similarities in this country?.....

 

[svenson]

svenson said:
there are always a minority, bonkers

i cant remember when and why i said that.can you post a print screen from that post and the topic?

 

[tired]

i cant remember when and why i said that.can you post a print screen from that post and the topic?

He linked to the reply where you said it. You can click the little up arrow on the reply next to the name (or just "svenson said" and it will take you to the reply. Here is a direct link.