What makes Euro oils different?

[Nesterenko]

Lake Stone jr. perhaps?

 

[lakestone]

No, they are not "specifically engineered for manufacturer's unique bearing tolerances". And there's no such thing as a "viscosity rating". It is about the HT/HS which is an identical measurement between any API licensed oil and a "Euro" oil.

Where do you come up with this?

I did not say anything about HT/HS.

What do you call the numbers on the oil container, if not "viscosity rating"?

Does your Internet handle stand for the sound that a cash register makes?
Is it pronounced/said outloud something like this?

 

[kschachn]

I did not say anything about HT/HS.

What do you call the numbers on the oil container, if not "viscosity rating"?

Does your Internet handle stand for the sound that a cash register makes?
Is it pronounced/said outloud something like this?

As I figured. Note that you didn't even address the "specifically engineered for manufacturer's unique bearing tolerances" nonsense but just post a meme instead and make it personal.

 

[lakestone]

As I figured. Note that you didn't even address the "specifically engineered for manufacturer's unique bearing tolerances" nonsense but just post a meme instead and make it personal.

European OEM specifications have HT/HS specifications, either as a range, or as a minimum. I previously explained why that is.

The observation about your handle wasn't personal. Just an observation, and a bit of friendly fun. Talking about lubes and automotive maintenace is reasonably dull, and this place seems pretty conservative, however, I didn't think that folks here wouldn't have a sense of humor. You seem pretty bitter about it though, so I apologize if I offended you in any way. I hope that there isn't something else more serious going on in your personal life that's bleeding through here. If there is, I am sorry, and I hope things get better for you.

 

[kschachn]

European OEM specifications have HT/HS specifications, either as a range, or as a minimum. I previously explained why that is.

The observation about your handle wasn't personal. Just an observation, and a bit of friendly fun. Talking about lubes and automotive maintenace is reasonably dull, and this place seems pretty conservative, however, I didn't think that folks here wouldn't have a sense of humor. You seem pretty bitter about it though, so I appologize if I offended you in any way. I hope that there isn't something else more serious going on in your personal life that's bleeding through here. If there is, I am sorry, and I hope things get better for you.

So that's why European manufacturers have unique bearing tolerances?

Hope things get better for you too. You just started here, right?

 

[Bkdc]

European regulations are targeting really really extended oil change intervals. I don’t know how they keep cars running with such crazy intervals. Maybe they want to support the mechanics union and auto manufacturers. 15km, 20km, 30km intervals. Just absolutely bonkers.

 

[kschachn]

European regulations are targeting really really extended oil change intervals. I don’t know how they keep cars running with such crazy intervals. Maybe they want to support the mechanics union and auto manufacturers. 15km, 20km, 30km intervals. Just absolutely bonkers.

This and a reduction in CO2 output is what is driving the standards today.

 

[svenson]

It may be a joke, but it is written into the ACEA Sequence.

i didnt questioned that it isnt, i explained why they did it.

Back in the day I had a Fiat 128 4 speed that ran 4200 rpm at 60 mph in 4th gear and it was not driven that slow on the hiway if I could help it. It peaked out at about 95 mph with foot to the floor. Fun wringing that little 1300 cc motor all the time, never did wear the motor out. The chassis on the other hand....

i had a fiat too. i sold it and the engine was like new. oci was with old standards, once a year or 10000km. of course i had to replace many other parts mostly electrical .

 

[svenson]

European regulations are targeting really really extended oil change intervals. I don’t know how they keep cars running with such crazy intervals. Maybe they want to support the mechanics union and auto manufacturers. 15km, 20km, 30km intervals. Just absolutely bonkers.

its a different market. north European countries ,the richest incomes, with a big fleet, they replace their cars with new ones every 5-7 years. they use the car mostly for trips. going to work might mean 50-100 km forth and back..meaning no traffic lights ,intown shopping and so..rpm and speed is usually high.
so in a year they might reach 20-25.000 km .when they replace their cars after 5 years they have already made 100-130.000km which is the time that usually some minor engine problems occur.this is where these cars are replaced .so they dont care.

in south Europe and especially balkans owners dont allow such crazy intervals.there was a period from 2007-2013 where this new marketing trick was sold to them and they liked it. but they have learned from their mistakes, they paid it and now they dont bite it anymore.
in some European forums that i have visited, there are always a minority, bonkers -i liked that word - that try to convince the rest of us that they run their engine with 25.000 oci and after 200.000 km they are good as new and they dont burn any oil .

 

[FCD]

European regulations are targeting really really extended oil change intervals. I don’t know how they keep cars running with such crazy intervals. Maybe they want to support the mechanics union and auto manufacturers. 15km, 20km, 30km intervals. Just absolutely bonkers.

15k is not crazy with a good oil and mostly highway use, with a modern fuel injected car i would not worry at all.

Ford was already recommending 10.000km in normal use here in the late 70s and they really didn't have much issues or warranty claims that i know.

 

[FCD]

But yes the reason behind is mostly environmental.

Modern large European trucks already are recommending 100.000km intervals or 60k miles afaik.

But you also have to take into account maintenance is more costly here, there are few quick lube places, none in most countries.

Nowadays if you want a good oil change done with the right oil and a good filter in most of western Europe you can expect to pay 90-100€ even for a small car.

Oil is much more expensive here than in the states too, you won't even find the crappiest conventional 15w40 no name oil for less than 3-5€ per liter.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

Nowadays if you want a good oil change done with the right oil and a good filter in most of western Europe you can expect to pay 90-100€ even for a small car.

Oil is much more expensive here than in the states too, you won't even find the crappiest conventional 15w40 no name oil for less than 3-5€ per liter.

That's about what it is for a euro car in the US.

 

[FCD]

its a different market. north European countries ,the richest incomes, with a big fleet, they replace their cars with new ones every 5-7 years. they use the car mostly for trips. going to work might mean 50-100 km forth and back..meaning no traffic lights ,intown shopping and so..rpm and speed is usually high.
so in a year they might reach 20-25.000 km .when they replace their cars after 5 years they have already made 100-130.000km which is the time that usually some minor engine problems occur.this is where these cars are replaced .so they dont care.

in south Europe and especially balkans owners dont allow such crazy intervals.there was a period from 2007-2013 where this new marketing trick was sold to them and they liked it. but they have learned from their mistakes, they paid it and now they dont bite it anymore.
in some European forums that i have visited, there are always a minority, bonkers -i liked that word - that try to convince the rest of us that they run their engine with 25.000 oci and after 200.000 km they are good as new and they dont burn any oil

People like to experiment and push things to the limit for fun.
I saw a UOA once on Oil Club .de of a M1 5W-50 that was over 4 years in Use and like 40k kms, 25k freedom units and the lab did not find any alarming results, under the right conditions, it is possible, it was a diesel Opel and almost 100% autobahn driving practically no short trips at all.

 

[FCD]

Personally since i have never had a car newer than 1999 i change once a year, i typically never go over 7500km or a year, year and a half perhaps.

I've had one car with power steering, never even had a car with Ac, and never an automatic either lol.

But, when you have never had such comforts, i don't miss them, and i live in the middle of the Med so the summers are long hot and humid here.

 

[Kennedy01]

If I can't run an oil at least a year or up to 10k miles I'm not using it. If the engine is so temperamental that it can't handle that oci, I'm not buying/driving that vehicle. That's why I'm running Mobil 1 ESP 0w30 in an 04 Silverado with a 5.3 Vortec. Overkill oil in an engine that'll run on practically anything equals a match made in heaven.

 

[OilUzer]

For my applications, the generic syn are pretty good and meet the manufacturer's spec.

However, I'll take "Euro" syn with more stringent approvals and testing over the regular syn.

Choosing between long OCIs and Euro vs. short OCIs and the non Euro syn, then I'll take the non Euro (regular) syn ... as long as it's M1 EP or Valvoline EP.

 

[Zee09]

European OEM specifications have HT/HS specifications, either as a range, or as a minimum. I previously explained why that is.

The observation about your handle wasn't personal. Just an observation, and a bit of friendly fun. Talking about lubes and automotive maintenace is reasonably dull, and this place seems pretty conservative, however, I didn't think that folks here wouldn't have a sense of humor. You seem pretty bitter about it though, so I apologize if I offended you in any way. I hope that there isn't something else more serious going on in your personal life that's bleeding through here. If there is, I am sorry, and I hope things get better for you.

 

[kschachn]

Perhaps you can explain what "European blends are specifically engineered for manufacturers' unique bearing tolerances" means?

 

[buster]

I often wonder if I should just be using Mobil 1 ESP 5w30 off the shelf. My intervals are 5k miles or so. Amsoil SS has held up very well per last UOA.

 

[Patman]

I often wonder if I should just be using Mobil 1 ESP 5w30 off the shelf. My intervals are 5k miles or so. Amsoil SS has held up very well per last UOA.

If you’re going to stick with 5k intervals then by all means go with ESP. But with Amsoil SS I think you could be doing 10k and getting your money’s worth that way.