So I've want to buy a $60K electric Kia...

[Ws6]

Toyota is better than Kia.

I can’t comment on electric vehicle quality. It’s like asking me who makes the best high heels. No idea. I’m not in the market for any.

But...are they? Kia's EVs have been amazing. Toyota recalled their only EV because the wheels could literally fall off, and their Rav4 Prime and Hybrid are suffering numerous HV cable corrosion failues that they are not covering under warranty. This costs the owner around $5k.

Kia ev6 on the other hand is doing great, been out for well over a year, now, no real issues other than some bad sound system amps that were warranty covered and upgraded.

I think the most accurate part of your post was "no idea", because you seemed to have none.

 

[i6pwr]

The VW iD4 is absolutely horrible compared to the Kia in every way from quality to driving dynamics to charge speed. Also, the battery costs more or less the same.

Literally nothing compares to the Kia product right now as a well-rounded package. The Taycan GTS is a hair faster, and driving dynamics are better...but they have battery problems. The Audi has a nicer interior, but is a dog comparatively for performance. I'd say for a car, the BMW i4 M50 comes closest, but again, it's a car, with very low ground clearance, and the EV6 GT at least gives me 6.1" clearance to work with.

I agree.

My GTI comment was based on only 1 particular used car for about $15K that's fun to drive that gets over 30 MPG. Very easily can get into low 5 sec 0-60 or even high 4's with a good bit of boost.

There are many other vehicles that are even more thrilling.

My point was to make sure you made the right choice if you pursue the EV6, given that battery tech is changing rapidly and 60K is a lot of coin for a rapidly evolving tech.

I guess right now it's like spending $4K on a fast DDR4 gaming PC...alot of money for rapidly changing tech at the moment.

Again, I think the Kia is a sweet car, just ne sure it's worthy of 60K over the next 3-4 years.

 

[dlundblad]

But...are they? Kia's EVs have been amazing. Toyota recalled their only EV because the wheels could literally fall off, and their Rav4 Prime and Hybrid are suffering numerous HV cable corrosion failues that they are not covering under warranty. This costs the owner around $5k.

Kia ev6 on the other hand is doing great, been out for well over a year, now, no real issues other than some bad sound system amps that were warranty covered and upgraded.

I think the most accurate part of your post was "no idea", because you seemed to have none.

By all means, go out and buy yourself the car. Don’t keep me from stopping you.

As far as having a clue, I personally don’t go out and buy something that expensive and think I’m saving money and/ or the planet because it’s electric. (That’s just my take on something like this. Not saying you feel this way.)

An electric Kia just sounds like a Ron White joke, I’m sorry.

 

[Ws6]

I agree.

My GTI comment was based on only 1 particular used car for about $15K that's fun to drive that gets over 30 MPG. Very easily can get into low 5 sec 0-60 or even high 4's with a good bit of boost.

There are many other vehicles that are even more thrilling.

My point was to make sure you made the right choice if you pursue the EV6, given that battery tech is changing rapidly and 60K is a lot of coin for a rapidly evolving tech.

I guess right now it's like spending $4K on a fast DDR4 gaming PC...alot of money for rapidly changing tech at the moment.

Again, I think the Kia is a sweet car, just ne sure it's worthy of 60K over the next 3-4 years.

The 8/1/1 chemistry and 800v architecture future proofs it at least somewhat. For example, its already more advanced than GM is coming out with for 2023. Its worlds ahead of Ford. Tesla has octo valve, but is otherwise behind as well. Battery tech really isnt changing much. I know everyone is crowing about solid state, but we aren't even close. Once we get. SS, then yes, the game will have changed, but right now not huying EV because SS may come about is like not buying gas because valveless heads and 40psi turbos and direct ignition might happen.

 

[i6pwr]

I have to agree with dlund.

We are all here to reply to your thread, it's not my place to tell someone how to spend their money.

FWIW, in this current economy, no way in he!! I would drop $60K on any vehicle, let alone an EV who's technology is on the fast track and you would need to drive it for more than 20 years to break even on a 30 MPG gasser....prob longer.

The OP might be wealthy and this is a drop in the bucket..again not my area but this thread is about him buying a $60K EV with being on the hook for a over a grand per month.

My advice, get a good gasser and save the coin, then look at EV's when the battery tech gets better.

Honestly, IFK if my car goes 0-60 in a blink, I want it to work in the cold, refill in 5 min, and not have to worry about. Being stranded on a closed highway in the winter.

I like riding in friends' EV's...but glad I don't own one.

 

[UncleDave]

Hyundai Kia has historically had some of the worst degradation

Hopefully the e-gimp setup is battery than prior efforts.

 

[i6pwr]

For battery tech I was referring to sodium-ion.

 

[OVERKILL]

For battery tech I was referring to sodium-ion.

Not sure you saw my reply but the challenge with sodium is that it has about 1/2 the energy density of lithium-based batteries. Not a big issue for stationary applications, but a pretty big problem for mobile ones.

 

[Ws6]

Hyundai Kia has historically had some of the worst degradation

Hopefully the e-gimp setup is battery than prior efforts.


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I looked into that. The Gen 1Soul did not even have liquid cooling. It really worried me when I saw the numbers you present when I researched it myself, but lack of liquid cooling pretty much torpedoed every EV that tried that route.

 

[Ws6]

For battery tech I was referring to sodium-ion.

8/1/1 battery tech is currently the tip of the spear. Incremental improvements exist, but EV manufacturers are moving toward cheap instead of "better". An example of this is Ford swapping over to LFP in the Mustang Mach E at some point soon. They are doing it to cut cost, and deal with supply chain issues, not because it is better. Yes it has trade-offs (Likes 100% SoC, but doesn't drain as hard or charge as fast.)

800V architecture is the future, here. I project that the EV aspect of my EV6 GT is going to be at least "mid pack" for the next 5 years. SSD will be what de-thrones it, and we just are not there yet at all. Will something that charges faster come along? Maybe...but it won't much matter, it will be something like "10-80% in 12 minutes!" vs my 18 minutes. Yes it's very significant in percentages, but I won't be just kicking myself over those extra 6 minutes.

Sodium Ion? SI isn't horrible for EV's, but it is just a cost saver like LFP. It's not a performance competitor.

 

[Ws6]

I have to agree with dlund.

We are all here to reply to your thread, it's not my place to tell someone how to spend their money.

FWIW, in this current economy, no way in he!! I would drop $60K on any vehicle, let alone an EV who's technology is on the fast track and you would need to drive it for more than 20 years to break even on a 30 MPG gasser....prob longer.

The OP might be wealthy and this is a drop in the bucket..again not my area but this thread is about him buying a $60K EV with being on the hook for a over a grand per month.

My advice, get a good gasser and save the coin, then look at EV's when the battery tech gets better.

Honestly, IFK if my car goes 0-60 in a blink, I want it to work in the cold, refill in 5 min, and not have to worry about. Being stranded on a closed highway in the winter.

I like riding in friends' EV's...but glad I don't own one.

Financially, you are spot on! A 2017 CX5 would be the bomb!
But I spend 2+ hours per day in my car. I don't know what you do for a living, but I do some pretty unsavory stuff to put it mildly, and when I leave, I want to immediately realize the benefits of all that I deal with. I don't want to sit behind the wheel of my 200hp CUV and putter home thinking "For what? Why? For the sheer love of it?" I am not saying you should feel that way, or that you can identify with it (I hope not), but that's me, and that's the why. I want something absolutely fun, that is also AWD and an SUV, due to where I live, and EV's have made this practical again. Previous, the SRT8 Jeep was as close as I could get...but the fuel was insane, so I didn't. And this? It will wreck a Trackhawk.

 

[zzyzzx]

I'd be OK with an electric car as a second car, and only if I could replace the battery myself when it gets old with a bunch of standard AGM car batteries and still use the car to commute like that.

Eventually someone is going to figure out how to do that and post the info on the internet. I mean, I could probably do it, but I prefer someone else be the proverbial guinea pig.

 

[Ws6]

I'd be OK with an electric car as a second car, and only if I could replace the battery myself when it gets old with a bunch of standard AGM car batteries and still use the car to commute like that.

Eventually someone is going to figure out how to do that and post the info on the internet. I mean, I could probably do it, but I prefer someone else be the proverbial guinea pig.

Can you replace the engine in whatever you drive with something coal fired, if needs arise?

Seriously though, lead acid just won't get it done. Noone is ever going to make that conversion.

 

[zzyzzx]

Can you replace the engine in whatever you drive with something coal fired, if needs arise?

Seriously though, lead acid just won't get it done. Noone is ever going to make that conversion.

The issue with a coal conversion is where I'd get the coal from.

In so far as using lead acid of AGM batteries to power an electric car, it's been done may times already. But the conversions were always converting an ICE car to an electric car.

 

[Blinker]

Also, this is why I bought the GT. I wanted every scrap of knowledge the H/K design team learned on developing the base models, prior. Also, this goes back to my philosophy of buying halo cars. You are treated better at the dealer and corporate level for it. You just are. An AMG Black customer is not treated like a GLA250 customer. It's not right, but it's natural.

If you think buying an EV6 is going to get you preferential treatment from the Kia dealers and from corporate, you’re going to be in a world of shock once you realize you’re treated no different from anyone else. The Stinger was Kia’s halo car for awhile and there was no red carpet roll out for the buyers. Remember the K900? That was Kia’s flagship car and there was no red carpet roll out for those owners either. There are endless threads on Kia forums from owners of these “halo” Stingers and K900’s who left the brand entirely because Kia treated them like the average Kia owner. Owners of $60k+ Kia K900’s expected Kia to take ownership of vehicle issues like faded exterior trim, prematurely worn out leather seat covers, and other quality issues, but Kia never stepped up to the plate, instead they were treated like Kia Rio customers. Same thing with Kia Stinger owners, they got jerked around too. On the contrary, Kia did sort of step up to the plate regarding the peeling yellow paint on Kia Stingers. However, it was a smart business decision to repaint the cars. If they didn’t, there would likely have been a class action lawsuit, and seeing paint peeling Kia Stingers would look bad for the brand image. It won’t be any different for EV6 owners either. With Mercedes AMG or BMW M cars, you do get a little bit of prestige as you drive into the service centers. With Kia, it’s non existent…

I applaud you for having such faith and trust in Hyundai/Kia engineering. Much of the problem with Hyundai/Kia has to do with South Korea’s dominate corporate philosophy. If you don’t know what chaebols means, I encourage you to look it up. Until that cultural philosophy is broken apart in SK, it will continue to be business as usual for them.

 

[Ws6]

 

[Ws6]

Nice!

Sold twice as cheaply as the Porsche Taycan Turbo S (and the Tesla Model S Plaid, also a record holder at the Nürburgring), the Kia EV6 GT shone almost more. The reason ? Remarkable thermal management of its battery, which makes it possible to chain three laps of the northern loop without losing almost any of its initial power. No other electric had achieved such a feat, nor that of maintaining the effectiveness of its braking without resorting to an expensive carbon-ceramic option.

https://www.largus.fr/actualite-aut...bonne-electrique-au-nurburgring-30024202.html

 

[Torrid]

I agree.

My GTI comment was based on only 1 particular used car for about $15K that's fun to drive that gets over 30 MPG. Very easily can get into low 5 sec 0-60 or even high 4's with a good bit of boost.

There are many other vehicles that are even more thrilling.

My point was to make sure you made the right choice if you pursue the EV6, given that battery tech is changing rapidly and 60K is a lot of coin for a rapidly evolving tech.

I guess right now it's like spending $4K on a fast DDR4 gaming PC...alot of money for rapidly changing tech at the moment.

Again, I think the Kia is a sweet car, just ne sure it's worthy of 60K over the next 3-4 years.

I know I'm a bit biased, but for the money there really isn't a better all around driving experience than a GTI. The ID.4 could have been so much more. I love the Tesla Model 3 which is obvious since I bought one and the Model S has my attention. The reason why Kia and Hyundai have managed to turn me off for electric options is because any type of hatch car to come out is some sort of kind of crossover and I hate tall hatchbacks trying to be mini SUVs. I can't put into words how much I despise it. I really don't like their design language either. The Kias and Hyundais just don't speak to me and espcially the interiors seem so disjointed and lacking purpose and this is what continues to make them feel way too down market to be a $60k vehicle. It may be absolutely amazing, but it can be absolutely amazing for someone else. I'm not a buyer at $40k, let alone $60k. I'm not trying to be harsh and attack, it's just not for me.

 

[dumkid]

if you want instant torque... go buy a diesel. no charge wait, and it will last longer

just my $.02

 

[Torrid]

if you want instant torque... go buy a diesel. no charge wait, and it will last longer

just my $.02

And the electric vehicle is still more instant. Charge wait really isn't long and it's a better driving experience. Diesels have their place, but if you're just commuting that's a rather unrefined experience.