Mazda skyactiv specific oil filters

[Sayjac]

....Or did it occur to anyone that removal was a cost savings, and the ADBV wasn't needed?????

Yes, it was noted in my first post here.

As for endcap type, as long as the pleat ends are sealed, clean from dirty side, any type can work. That said, doesn't mean one can't have a preference for one type of construction versus another.

What I'd be curious about would be the efficiency of the Mazda OEMs. "If" like other Asian OEMs, being very kind, nothing special.

 

[dnewton3]

Yes, it was noted in my first post here.

So it was; I see it now. My apologies for the duplicity.

As for endcap type, as long as the pleat ends are sealed, clean from dirty side, any type can work. That said, doesn't mean one can't have a preference for one type of construction versus another.

I agree. I have no preference; metal, fiber, glue - they all work. Some do have a preference; that's OK too. I just always find it hypocritical that some who would decry the lack of metal in an organe can say zilch when something else pops up with no metal endcaps. The biggotry is palpable until it's not ...

What I'd be curious about would be the efficiency of the Mazda OEMs. "If" like other Asian OEMs, being very kind, nothing special.

Agree here, too. Probably nothing but "so so", and yet these OEMs (Honda, Toyota, Mazda, Nissan) seem to make engines that last a long time, despite the moderate filters they provide.

 

[dan_erickson]

On the good old rock auto site they have beck Arnley filter that seems to be a Mazda only filter, judging by the fitment list. Thoughts? If it’s a good filter then for $5 it’s seems like a deal.

 

[tcp71]

The filter is hung directly on the bottom with the opening up. No need for an Anti drain valve as it's already the lowest point for oil. I've been using Fram Ultra 6607 and PH6607s on the CX-5. Doesn't cause any issues and has been starting just fine at -30C the last few mornings.

 

[ZeeOSix]

The filter is hung directly on the bottom with the opening up. No need for an Anti drain valve as it's already the lowest point for oil. I've been using Fram Ultra 6607 and PH6607s on the CX-5. Doesn't cause any issues and has been starting just fine at -30C the last few mornings.


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There is still oil above the filter in the oil galleries above the filter that an ADBV helps retain. Dry galleries isn't ideal. The Fram XG and PH 6607 have an ADBV.

 

[PimTac]

There is still oil above the filter in the oil galleries above the filter that an ADBV helps retain. Dry galleries isn't ideal. The Fram XG and PH 6607 have an ADBV.

Yes but the size of the filter comes into play I would think. These filters are tiny.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Yes but the size of the filter comes into play I would think. These filters are tiny.

How would the filter size matter to the oil in the galleries above the filter? It doesn't. The Fram 6607 filters are pretty small, but have an ADBV.

 

[camrydriver111]

These engines are super widespread and have a reputation for being fairly robust.

If there were actual issues with using an anti drain back valve we would know about it from real world evidence rather than an obscure TSB.

 

[ZeeOSix]

These engines are super widespread and have a reputation for being fairly robust.

If there were actual issues with using an anti drain back valve we would know about it from real world evidence rather than an obscure TSB.

A filter having an ADBV is not going to cause any problems with any engine. The lack of an ADBV however could.

 

[PimTac]

A filter having an ADBV is not going to cause any problems with any engine. The lack of an ADBV however could.

The lack of one is certainly not causing any problems with the Mazda engines. Neither is the lack of end caps.

 

[javacontour]

Yea but Mazda released that TSB warning about the wrong oil filter being used well before they introduced boosted engines into their lineup.

If I remember correctly it was to warn the dealership not to use the oil filter from the 1.5L Mazda 2 on the Mazda 3 & 6’s engine…?

Plus why would WIX go out of their way to make a unique Skyactiv specific oil filter if it doesn’t matter much because the difference is minuscule? 🤷🏻‍♂️

What years? Prior to the SkyActiv engines, the Mazda L engine (IIRC) were based/co-engineered with Ford's Duratec 4.
I know my 2012 2.5L takes the Ford oil filter. The SkyActiv was a mid year change for the 2.0L engines in 2012, IIRC.
So I'm wondering if the TSB you cite was from that era as Mazda dealers would have the "Mazda" filters for older cars like the Protege as well as the "Ford" filters for the L engines.
With Mazda's ventures with Ford and Toyota, I could see where some clarification of what filter to use might be needed.

 

[PimTac]

What years? Prior to the SkyActiv engines, the Mazda L engine (IIRC) were based/co-engineered with Ford's Duratec 4.
I know my 2012 2.5L takes the Ford oil filter. The SkyActiv was a mid year change for the 2.0L engines in 2012, IIRC.
So I'm wondering if the TSB you cite was from that era as Mazda dealers would have the "Mazda" filters for older cars like the Protege as well as the "Ford" filters for the L engines.
With Mazda's ventures with Ford and Toyota, I could see where some clarification of what filter to use might be needed.

The Mazda SkyActiv 2.5 turbo came out in 2016. The bulletin for the specific filter relates to that engine. They first put it into the CX9 to get rid of the Ford V6. Later on other models in the lineup got this engine on certain trim lines.

 

[javacontour]

The Mazda SkyActiv 2.5 turbo came out in 2016. The bulletin for the specific filter relates to that engine. They first put it into the CX9 to get rid of the Ford V6. Later on other models in the lineup got this engine on certain trim lines.

Thanks,

I just know it's been confusing at times with at 2012 as the switch to SkyActiv in North America happened mid-year. One has to make sure they get the right oil and air filters when shopping.

I don't recall seeing the actual TSB in the thread (I could have missed it.)

Was it this one? https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2016/SB-10092237-6903.pdf

 

[alarmguy]

We have a 2012 Skyactive engine.
Use standard Purolator filters but sure, without question I find it interesting they leave off the ADBV.
It's not needed, granted but always wondered if the reason was any more than that. I mean, why?
I certainly can understand someone wanting to use the OEM because of this, I just dont. But if there is a new Mazda one day in the future I just may. Have no idea, always bothered me, then I forget about it for a while.

 

[alarmguy]

The lack of one is certainly not causing any problems with the Mazda engines. Neither is the lack of end caps.

Yeah, I trust Mazda more than opinions. 10 years running our Skyactive hasn't needed a repair yet.
Makes complete sense to me not having a ADBV, its not needed and think its silly to discount Mazda leaving it off for whatever reason.

 

[PimTac]

Thanks,

I just know it's been confusing at times with at 2012 as the switch to SkyActiv in North America happened mid-year. One has to make sure they get the right oil and air filters when shopping.

I don't recall seeing the actual TSB in the thread (I could have missed it.)

Was it this one? https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2016/SB-10092237-6903.pdf

I believe that’s it. Even now when I go ask for a filter they verify if it’s a turbo or not. All the Mazda engines use the same filter except the turbo.

 

[PimTac]

We have a 2012 Skyactive engine.
Use standard Purolator filters but sure, without question I find it interesting they leave off the ADBV.
It's not needed, granted but always wondered if the reason was any more than that. I mean, why?
I certainly can understand someone wanting to use the OEM because of this, I just dont. But if there is a new Mazda one day in the future I just may. Have no idea, always bothered me, then I forget about it for a while.

The Japanese mindset determines that if something is not needed then it’s done away with. They have their own minimalism.

 

[alarmguy]

The Japanese mindset determines that if something is not needed then it’s done away with. They have their own minimalism.

It certainly makes sense removing an obstruction that is not needed. Kind of sounds a like like we all do here on BITOG. Find what is best for our vehicles even if just a good possibility that it may help.

 

[ZeeOSix]

The lack of one is certainly not causing any problems with the Mazda engines. Neither is the lack of end caps.

How do you know the ADBV isn't built into the engine? You have a technical source link to the oiling system design?

Of course the end caps design isn't going to cauae problems as long as the seal out dirty oil.

 

[ZeeOSix]

It certainly makes sense removing an obstruction that is not needed. Kind of sounds a like like we all do here on BITOG. Find what is best for our vehicles even if just a good possibility that it may help.

How much obstruction do you think a flimsy soft rubber flap provides against a powerful PD oil pump?