Why No 20 Weight Euro Oils ?

Sorry, I am confused. Is this a thick vs thin thread, or
Yeah that's group 1 base oils. You can't really even get PCMO made from group 1 base oils in North America anymore.
Even the retro SG, SH, SJ rated oils are all made from at least group 2.
Group 1 oils were the ones you had to change around 3,000 miles and you were living dangerously changing at 5,000.
Aren't "Distillates, petroleum, solvent-refined heavy paraffinic" group 1? I see that in some of the synthetic blends in small amounts, even SP rated ones.
 
Out of curiosity, and since you have possibly dated yourself ;) what was the standard weight of oil that Joe Anybody would be running in their plain as white bread Ford Pinto or the likes back in the mid-70's? 10w-30 or 40 I assume?

Found this old thread about 5w-30's introduction which also touched on the issues with 10w-40's...
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/when-did-5w30-first-come-out.59456/
From the post:

"5W-30 was the grade they pushed because they knew the public was not ready for a 5W-20 oil - too radical of a change and the M1 5W-20 problems were fresh in their minds."

The what?
 
Not to mention high heat resistance, superior arctic cold flow capability, and cleaning ability. M1 was so far ahead of the pedestrian oils of the time-we don’t realize how much better we have it now. Engines that were once gone by 100K have the ability to still be running strong at 300K!
Yes a 5W, there were other 5W winter rated oils in existence.
 
Sorry, I am confused. Is this a thick vs thin thread, or

Aren't "Distillates, petroleum, solvent-refined heavy paraffinic" group 1? I see that in some of the synthetic blends in small amounts, even SP rated ones.
Small amounts, maybe.
The best thing to hold additives is still that mess of molecules we call group ones. Gone are the days of up to 10% of the oil being made of unstable aromatics.
Thick vs thin was settled science before the first multi grade oil was available.
9 to 12cSt at operating temperature.
 
Many newer BMW's use 0w-20. I put many gallons of this in customers cars every week.

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Yes fuel economy and long-drain capability.
The can on my shelf says allows 25k miles between oil changes, helps start engines at -35F, provides excellent hot weather performance, keeps engines cleaner, reduces engine wear and outperforms premium 10w-40 motor oils.

The holy grail of 1975.

The 5w-20 didn't sell well and by the early 80's it became 5w-30.
 
I think there's a fair number of economy/compact, non-high performance Euro vehicles that can do just fine on XW20 oils. Not everyone is blasting down the Autobahn at 150 (MPH)!
I guess it comes down to what you mean by high performance. In my view, a two-liter, DI, turbo engine producing more than 260 horsepower is high performance, and there are a bunch of them from Germany, and a couple from England and Italy that are perfectly able to safely (safely to the drivetrain) blast down the Autobahn at 150 MPH using X W 20.
 
Not to mention high heat resistance, superior arctic cold flow capability, and cleaning ability. M1 was so far ahead of the pedestrian oils of the time-we don’t realize how much better we have it now. Engines that were once gone by 100K have the ability to still be running strong at 300K!
I remember growing up in the seventies how awesome the M1 ads were, and how I was hopeful that one day I would be in a position to use this elite, "from the future," product. Their advertising was top notch. It's amazing that, while still great, it is now just one of many solid synthetic choices, and has a gazillion variations. I thought about this when I topped up the family chevies with Texaco 10W30 from the cardboard can.
 
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