Valvoline R&P vs Pennzoil Ultra Platinum

[ndarkside93]

I would disagree; Valvoline R&P is not unique. IMO, Amsoil SS and about any HPL product are going to do every bit as well as R&P. And they were in the market before R&P. No one here has any definitive, unbiased testing knowledge to show that any of those products is "better" than another. I do believe that all three provide cleaning abilities far exceeding most anything else in the marketplace, currently. But to say R&P is "unique" is false.

As for the PUP, it's a good product, and it does a great job of not becoming dirty (low oxidation risk = low sludge risk). But I don't believe it's ability to clean is as good as those three above.

I think the person was describing VRP as unique in that it cleans without the high levels of Esters and ANs. Hpl and Amsoil are great, but work in a very different way to achieve the result which is also why they cost what they do and can also go much further per oil change.

 

[ndarkside93]

It seems to outshine the rest in the cleaning dept. The videos I’ve watched seem to show really good results and the video from inside their lab was very informative. Seems like they took what they learned from their Cummins blend and modified to be a little more gentle and works well. I don’t particularly know of Amsoil SS or HPL.

The VRP uses a completely different method then the VBR Cummins blend. VRP uses a proprietary additive, Valvoline Blue Restore uses a high ester content to achieve the result while also running the extended OCIs often ran with heavy duty diesel engines.

 

[FlyingTexan]

The VRP uses a completely different method then the VBR Cummins blend. VRP uses a proprietary additive, Valvoline Blue Restore uses a high ester content to achieve the result while also running the extended OCIs often ran with heavy duty diesel engines.

I agree but doesn’t change what I said. We probably watched the same video

 

[ndarkside93]

I agree but doesn’t change what I said. We probably watched the same video

I’ve seen the video but I’ve also never had a use for the VBR as I don’t have a diesel. Just was pointing out how it worked versus the VPR. As for Amsoil and HPL the clean the same way as the Blue restore with high ester content.

 

[ChrisD46]

I would disagree; Valvoline R&P is not unique. IMO, Amsoil SS and about any HPL product are going to do every bit as well as R&P. And they were in the market before R&P. No one here has any definitive, unbiased testing knowledge to show that any of those products is "better" than another. I do believe that all three provide cleaning abilities far exceeding most anything else in the marketplace, currently. But to say R&P is "unique" is false.

As for the PUP, it's a good product, and it does a great job of not becoming dirty (low oxidation risk = low sludge risk). But I don't believe it's ability to clean is as good as those three above.

Curious if Amsoil and HPL have done any serious before / after carbon coated pistons / piston ring deposit studies using their oil products ? Carbon , varnish then sludge (in that order) are the toughest deposits to remove from engine internals . Unlike other companies , Valvoline really wanted to zero in on R&P’s cleaning abilities , preventing future deposits while providing well above GF-6 , SP wear standards with R&P used for typical 5K mile / 6 month OCI’s . The above said , I can’t see where using VR&P has any concerns or downsides to using (again) for the typical 5K mile / 6 month OCI’s ?

 

[Hohn]

I would disagree with you. It is "unique" in the fact that it cleans as well as those you specified (Amsoil SS and HPL) but does it far less costly and is available more conveniently on any Walmart or Auto Parts Store shelf. I'd say that is pretty unique

I think it's as simple is Valvoline has an additive nobody else has.

Esters, ANs, PAOs and such and all the latest VIs are all known to every blender. That makes every oil a variation on a theme. Everyone is cooking with the same basic ingredients, albeit with huge ranges of quality and cost.

Valvoline is cooking with a spice nobody else has seen or tasted before. And the flavor is going over rather well.

 

[buster]

I think it's as simple is Valvoline has an additive nobody else has.

Esters, ANs, PAOs and such and all the latest VIs are all known to every blender. That makes every oil a variation on a theme. Everyone is cooking with the same basic ingredients, albeit with huge ranges of quality and cost.

Valvoline is cooking with a spice nobody else has seen or tasted before. And the flavor is going over rather well.

I believe you're right. At least at the moment until it's adopted by the others.

 

[Elmo Howe]

I think it's as simple is Valvoline has an additive nobody else has.

Esters, ANs, PAOs and such and all the latest VIs are all known to every blender. That makes every oil a variation on a theme. Everyone is cooking with the same basic ingredients, albeit with huge ranges of quality and cost.

Valvoline is cooking with a spice nobody else has seen or tasted before. And the flavor is going over rather well.

Their proprietary cleaner is like a ghost chili on the " spice scale " .

 

[odie]

This is from an online magazine article pertaining to PENNZOIL Ultra Platinum .

" The advanced proprietary synthetic formula of Pennzoil Ultra motor oil with Hyper Cleansing Technology is also designed and engineered to exceed the toughest industry standards. Nothing keeps an engine closer to factory clean. Pennzoil Ultra helps prevent sludge and other deposits, but also cleans up existing sludge. In fact, it cleans out over 35 percent more engine sludge than the brand's next best oil, Pennzoil Platinum. In addition, no leading synthetic motor oil provides better wear protection than Pennzoil Ultra. "

 

[buster]

This is from an online magazine article on the PENNZOIL Ultra Platinum .

" The advanced proprietary synthetic formula of Pennzoil Ultra motor oil with Hyper Cleansing Technology is also designed and engineered to exceed the toughest industry standards. Nothing keeps an engine closer to factory clean. Pennzoil Ultra helps prevent sludge and other deposits, but also cleans up existing sludge. In fact, it cleans out over 35 percent more engine sludge than the brand's next best oil, Pennzoil Platinum. In addition, no leading synthetic motor oil provides better wear protection than Pennzoil Ultra. "

Notice is says "keeps an engine closer to factory clean" and "cleans sludge." Nowhere does it say cleans existing piston deposits.... because it can't.

 

[odie]

Claims EXISTING sludge in the article . Likely includes piston rings .

 

[BornSlippy]

Claims existing SLUDGE in the article .

That sounds like it is referencing Pennzoil Ultra, which was the precursor to Ultra Platinum. I think the 'Ultra' had more ester in it.

 

[odie]

The recent Ultra Platinum ( S.P.,GF-6A ) has BORON from the V.O.A.s' and U.O.A.s' placed here , other sites and Y.T. videos .

 

[buster]

Claims EXISTING sludge in the article . Likely includes piston rings .

No, not at all. Entirely different type of carbon deposit.

 

[tired]

I would disagree; Valvoline R&P is not unique. IMO, Amsoil SS and about any HPL product are going to do every bit as well as R&P. And they were in the market before R&P. No one here has any definitive, unbiased testing knowledge to show that any of those products is "better" than another. I do believe that all three provide cleaning abilities far exceeding most anything else in the marketplace, currently. But to say R&P is "unique" is false.

As for the PUP, it's a good product, and it does a great job of not becoming dirty (low oxidation risk = low sludge risk). But I don't believe it's ability to clean is as good as those three above.

Have to disagree with this. This reads like a post from 2024 when VRP just rolled out.

I think you'll have to show evidence that AMSOIL SS cleans as well as VRP.

In this thread, Glenda ran AMSOIL SS for multiple OCIs with no reduction in oil burning. VRP completely resolved her oil burning issues.

VRP is available off the shelf and for the same price as many OTS oils. AMSOIL is expensive, and it requires a membership for the best pricing, not to mention order minimums for free shipping.

IMO, Amsoil SS and about any HPL product are going to do every bit as well as R&P.

 

[ltslimjim]

Have to disagree with this. This reads like a post from 2024 when VRP just rolled out.

I think you'll have to show evidence that AMSOIL SS cleans as well as VRP.

In this thread, Glenda ran AMSOIL SS for multiple OCIs with no reduction in oil burning. VRP completely resolved her oil burning issues.

VRP is available off the shelf and for the same price as many OTS oils. AMSOIL is expensive, and it requires a membership for the best pricing, not to mention order minimums for free shipping.



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To be fair, VRP took longer to work at all; same as the brief usage of Amsoil SS. We don’t have evidence that SS wouldn’t have improved consumption or not; just that it didn’t in 10k miles. And, neither did VRP. No change in the first 10k miles.

 

[tired]

To be fair, VRP took longer to work at all; same as the brief usage of Amsoil SS. We don’t have evidence that SS wouldn’t have improved consumption or not; just that it didn’t in 10k miles. And, neither did VRP. No change in the first 10k miles.

A fair point. She didn't see oil burning reduction until the 3rd OCI.

I don't really think AMSOIL is known for cleaning engines out, but correct me if I'm wrong. It seems like it excels at keeping engines clean under even extreme conditions and long OCIs. A quick search didn't really turn up results of people reporting resolution of oil burning like with VRP.

I did find this though:

People do not buy Amsoil to clean their engine out. Amsoil is primarily for superb extended drain interval use, anyway.

 

[ltslimjim]

A fair point. She didn't see oil burning reduction until the 3rd OCI.

I don't really think AMSOIL is known for cleaning engines out, but correct me if I'm wrong. It seems like it excels at keeping engines clean under even extreme conditions and long OCIs. A quick search didn't really turn up results of people reporting resolution of oil burning like with VRP.

I did find this though:

You found a quote from me in 2011? So, this was when I was young and even more prone to generalizations.

I don’t hold the same black and white thinking stance anymore, though. That post lacked nuance.

Optimal use vs absolute capabilities. I was wrong back then regarding the latter.

 

[Glenda W.]

Amsoil SS was going to be my original test until R&P showed up at my Wally. I believe it would have taken more than 10,000 miles to work if it was going too.

 

[ltslimjim]

Post in thread 'Outside of extended OCIs with ideal usage (all highway), what is the use case for boutique oils?'
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...se-case-for-boutique-oils.394695/post-7222411