Not sure what Valvoline patents for Restore and Protect are in play currently but with the significant popularity of Valvoline’s Restore & Protect - you have to believe that Mobil and SOPUS would love to develop a similar oil with carbon cleaning abilities . I’m sure Mobil & SOPUS (and maybe Castrol) have already studied R&P samples to study and reverse engineer . Again , not sure with what Valvoline parents may be in play for R&P but safe to say Mobil & SOPUS will want to counter Valvoline with their own carbon cleaning new formulation oils and take some of that Valvoline R&P market share away . If or until that time comes , kudos to Valvoline for their success with the R&P oil release .
Will Mobil & SOPUS Develop R&P Equivalent ?
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I am confident they will come up with new marketing similar to Valvoline's R&P.
They probably looked at it in their lab. Anyone's guess as to what happens going forward.
If you're really good on the preventative side of things (deposit mitigation/Mobil 1 EP/Amsoil SS etc.), then I'm not sure they will care.
99% of people though are making the mistake of reading "can clean up sludge" and interpreting that as "can clean deposits too." That's false. Completely different type of carbon to remove.
If you're really good on the preventative side of things (deposit mitigation/Mobil 1 EP/Amsoil SS etc.), then I'm not sure they will care.
99% of people though are making the mistake of reading "can clean up sludge" and interpreting that as "can clean deposits too." That's false. Completely different type of carbon to remove.
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How popular is VRP? Do you have any sales or usage numbers? How does the oil compare to other oils in those areas?
Yeah, the oil gets a lot of play here, lots of discussion, but what about outside of BITOG? And, within our little community, how many are using it vs talking about it. Any ideas, facts, figures as to just how popular VRP is?
If Mobil1 comes up with new marketing, maybe they saw some numbers changing.
Highly doubt. Valvoline came up with R&P, probably because. they need a boost in sales.
It is all about marketing, nothing else.
If someone wants truly better oil, your local WM has Euro offers too.
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I don't think Mobil or SOPUS will counter the R&P marketing and here's why: ExxonMobil and Shell are the leaders compared to Valvoline, not the followers. Valvoline is the one that needed to go very bold with marketing claims to claw away at Mobil 1. Mobil is probably very confident right where they are.
I think Mobil already has.. When I used the new "Triple Action" Mobil 1 advanced full synthetic 5w30 it cleaned up the Civic's engine in one oil change! There was only a amber patina to the upper valvetrain that I could see in the oil filler hole with my inspection camera. But it cleaned it up to the point the metal color is showing (light silver, dark grey), so to ask if Mobil has something, they already do!
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We know which one has people in the Bentonville office …
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It’s a bit like all the OEM’s who quietly moved to aluminum without the Ford marketing …
Anyone that develops a product has to market it. Marketing is how you market the product. Rather than compete on long drain intervals, Valvoline randomly stumbled upon something unique. They are capitalizing on that. It's how markets work.
There are no Euro off shelf oils that can clean like R&P.
There are no Euro off shelf oils that can clean like R&P.
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And that’s all good - these guys sell the building blocks as well …
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But, but, but, gotcha gotta gotcha
Mobil 1 Triple is kind of an unknown. Part of the "Triple" is cleanliness, but that could mean preventative.
If Mobil 1 can clean well that would help determine whether the minimalist metallic additive concentrations was a bad choice or a stroke of genius.
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Bingo. There is nothing Valvoline can offer that ExxonMobil hasn't already created, commissioned, or outright passed up.
They already have, R&P. Was discovered and patented by them. Other companies can invent and create ya know?
I am no expert, but I would say that if the claims are true of the product, and it performs like it says, that is impressive.
I wonder if it has something to do with Valvolines recent purchase by Aramco.........wonder if they had this formula all along? I wonder if this has been in use in other countries and we just did not know?
I wonder if it has something to do with Valvolines recent purchase by Aramco.........wonder if they had this formula all along? I wonder if this has been in use in other countries and we just did not know?
And we know that R&P is cleaning this good, how?
All they have to do is slap some new images on their bottles.
Based on their own internal lab testing which is headed by a former Infineum engineer of 16 years who said he never saw anything like it.
Show me a mid/low SAPS Euro oil that can clean pistons. Valvoline did, it's your turn.
