Valvoline R&P Oil Burner Test Results

[Bullwinkle007]

I don’t get the need for a marketing claim. A BITOGer in particular should be pushing OCI only backed by UOA, not an empty marketing claim. The fact that Valvoline doesn’t give a mileage claim is to their credit, and absolutely should not be held against them.

And since you need to do the UOA anyway, why not just do that with VRP and find out what OCI it does for you?

M1 EP says “protects for 20,000 miles, guaranteed.” But what does that mean, actually? What does it mean to “protect”? Does it mean no engine failure? Well, we’ve seen enough crazy engines with 40k or 50k on them that have never had an oil change on factory fill and still have not failed. But do you want to be the 2nd owner of that engine?

What is the standard? If you run M1 EP for 20k miles and after 100k miles on five OCIs you have major oil consumption and deposits, but the engine still runs just fine, it that “protected”? M1 might think so. I might not. You might not.

Unless someone can prove that these mileage claims from someone like M1 for the EP line mean “engine is surgically clean and has zero consumption” then I’d encourage someone to think long and hard about what these mileage claims are actually guaranteeing.

There’s enough wiggle room in the language of these “guarantees” to ensure that basically every synthetic oil on the market would meet the same claim:



What’s “frequent” towing? How dusty is “extremely”? How much idling is “excessive”?

If someone can’t see how these loopholes only “guarantee” that M1 will never pay a claim, they are a sucker who has proved that marketing works.

Dusty? Try following a sweeper on the highway on a shoulder. That’s dusty, or tractors in a field I would consider dusty. Situations like that. Or if you reside in the desert with frequent wind storms.

 

[Bullwinkle007]

Mobil and Citgo top tier regular fuels are what I mostly use as they are my local stations. I use Chevron Techron Complete Fuel System cleaner a couple times per year in all my vehicles. Also of note, my Outback is PFI.

I use shell and chevron mainly and use a bottle of Redline SL-1 every oil change. I use 1 bottle to 10 gallons of fuel. 1 vehicle has a 26 gal tank and the other 21 gal. Redline says bottle good for 20 gallons. I use 1 bottle to 10 gallons. I also make sure I use that entire tank for freeway miles. With some stop and go,

 

[Hohn]

Dusty? Try following a sweeper on the highway on a shoulder. That’s dusty, or tractors in a field I would consider dusty. Situations like that. Or if you reside in the desert with frequent wind storms.

And how do you measure that? But more importantly, how does that measured amount compare to what M1 is "guaranteeing"?

 

[Bullwinkle007]

And how do you measure that? But more importantly, how does that measured amount compare to what M1 is "guaranteeing"

All the oil mfg actually own cars, run on the dyno 24/7, and simulate miles on the vehicle. At some point they tear down the engine. They also pay taxis company’s to run there oil, once again tear down the engines once they hit 300k miles. Talk to your local law enforcement, and ask them what they think of the different vehicles they run. They beat the crap out of them. CHP has told me, not many issues with the charger (V6). The Tahoe, junk, upper valve train issues, rear suspension issues. These guys don’t ever shut the engines off.

 

[Hohn]

All the oil mfg actually own cars, run on the dyno 24/7, and simulate miles on the vehicle. At some point they tear down the engine. They also pay taxis company’s to run there oil, once again tear down the engines once they hit 300k miles. Talk to your local law enforcement, and ask them what they think of the different vehicles they run. They beat the crap out of them. CHP has told me, not many issues with the charger (V6). The Tahoe, junk, upper valve train issues, rear suspension issues. These guys don’t ever shut the engines off.

True, and completely irrelevant.

Nobody knows what that 20k mile claim actually means when translated into actionable legal facts.

 

[Bullwinkle007]

I don’t pay attention to those claims bc I don’t run long OCI.

True, and completely irrelevant.

Nobody knows what that 20k mile claim actually means when translated into actionable legal facts.

 

[tired]

Dusty? Try following a sweeper on the highway on a shoulder. That’s dusty, or tractors in a field I would consider dusty. Situations like that. Or if you reside in the desert with frequent wind storms.

I think those were all just rhetorical questions.

 

[FlyingTexan]

I use shell and chevron mainly and use a bottle of Redline SL-1 every oil change. I use 1 bottle to 10 gallons of fuel. 1 vehicle has a 26 gal tank and the other 21 gal. Redline says bottle good for 20 gallons. I use 1 bottle to 10 gallons. I also make sure I use that entire tank for freeway miles. With some stop and go,

Believe it or not you can have too much and freeway miles are not what's best. At least not all at once. The engine needs to run then sit to give the chemicals time to do their work.

 

[Just a civilian pilot]

3rd VRP oil change next week, no change in oil consumption ( total 28,000 miles with VRP ).

 

[Glenda W.]

3rd VRP oil change next week, no change in oil consumption ( total 28,000 miles with VRP ).

Bummer. Hopefully things change as some claim all the cleaning happens in the beginning of the oci. Or maybe it’s not piston deposits?

 

[Just a civilian pilot]

Bummer. Hopefully things change as some claim all the cleaning happens in the beginning of the oci. Or maybe it’s not piston deposits?

Agreed.

I highly doubt anything will change after the 4th VRP oil change given how long the oil drains were already.

By the time the 4th run is over, I will have put around 50,000 miles on the engine with VRP.

I will report back when the last oil change is done by July.

 

[Brian123]

3rd VRP oil change next week, no change in oil consumption ( total 28,000 miles with VRP ).

You have used VRP for 28,000 miles, are you saying that you did 14,000 Mile OCI's with VRP?

 

[Duukt]

My GS350 was known to have oil burning issues due to low tension piston rings and VRP ended up fixing it completely by the end of the 2nd OCI. I did about 1K miles into the 3rd OCI before I sold it but the oil level was steady. If you haven't noticed an improvement, it's probably due to other factors.

I had posted it in the big VRP thread before -

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Post in thread 'Valvoline Restore & Protect'

Jan 19, 2025

That was a big first post, you "really" have a liking for the Valvoline Restore & Protect? Maybe I should try this magic soon.

I was a bit excited when I made this post as this was something I managed to fix with no suggestions or feedback from the mechanics I contacted about this problem. Whenever I brought it up to a mechanic, I usually got a blank stare or suggestions like "time to get a new car", "new engine", "used engine" etc. For some reason they did not suggest an engine flush at any place that I contacted or even something like HPL. Maybe that's just the state of mechanics...

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[Just a civilian pilot]

You have used VRP for 28,000 miles, are you saying that you did 14,000 Mile OCI's with VRP?

No. The THIRD oil change is what I am on now and will be complete by next week.

One more to go.

 

[Brian123]

No. The THIRD oil change is what I am on now will be complete next week.

One more to go.

If this VRP does not do the trick, you can always do an OCI with the King from Valvoline. The Valvoline Premium Blue Restore Generation 1 10W-30.

 

[Hohn]

If VRP doesn’t do the trick, I doubt any other chemical will. VRP certainly cleans, but oil burning has many causes, only some of which can be attributed to deposits.

I suspect many issues start out as deposit-related, but progress to actual excess wear or damage that no oil can repair.

 

[Just a civilian pilot]

If VRP doesn’t do the trick, I doubt any other chemical will. VRP certainly cleans, but oil burning has many causes, only some of which can be attributed to deposits.

I suspect many issues start out as deposit-related, but progress to actual excess wear or damage that no oil can repair.

It’s engine wear.

That said, the oil consumption has been, so far, very stable.

Some will say this is what happens ( GDI engine ) when you don’t ignore the ( intelligent ) OLM and change the oil much earlier , I don’t agree.

I have a very, very , very hard time believing Amsoil SS & HPL PP ( and thicker 0w30 for those who say I should have used thicker oil ) cannot last at least as long as what an intelligent OLM especially when it’s all highway miles.

Even if I am wrong, to change the oil every 3K etc would have meant monthly oil changes and a lot of money changing it 3 times as often. That would have driven me nuts.

I am more than o.k with consuming only 1 quart per 2500 miles. At least I tried to see if it was piston ring deposits causing it.

 

[CoachRoss07]

3rd VRP oil change next week, no change in oil consumption ( total 28,000 miles with VRP ).

I'm still on my 1st OCI with around 4K miles of VRP in my impala. Absolutely no change in consumption. Does seem to run a bit quieter than Vanilla M1. Gonna give it one more 5K interval with VRP and if I see no improvements I'm going to M1 ESP. I thought I could do VRP from now on but after seeing the teardown varnish from Valvoline Synthetic vid posted by them...I got to get back to M1. Yeah yeah I know it was 10K intervals but still. I know how clean M1 keeps a engine.

 

[tired]

I'm still on my 1st OCI with around 4K miles of VRP in my impala. Absolutely no change in consumption. Does seem to run a bit quieter than Vanilla M1. Gonna give it one more 5K interval with VRP and if I see no improvements I'm going to M1 ESP. I thought I could do VRP from now on but after seeing the teardown varnish from Valvoline Synthetic vid posted by them...I got to get back to M1. Yeah yeah I know it was 10K intervals but still. I know how clean M1 keeps a engine.

Valvoline says it takes 4 OCIs to see the full benefit. Multiple people here have not seen a benefit until the 3rd or 4th OCI. If you're going to give it a real shot, I'd say do 4 OCIs.

Do you have a link to the Valvoline teardown video? Are you saying there was varnish on the synthetic oil engine?

 

[Glenda W.]

I'm still on my 1st OCI with around 4K miles of VRP in my impala. Absolutely no change in consumption. Does seem to run a bit quieter than Vanilla M1. Gonna give it one more 5K interval with VRP and if I see no improvements I'm going to M1 ESP. I thought I could do VRP from now on but after seeing the teardown varnish from Valvoline Synthetic vid posted by them...I got to get back to M1. Yeah yeah I know it was 10K intervals but still. I know how clean M1 keeps a engine.

The teardowns were done with Valvoline EP and conventional oil. R&P wasn’t out yet when that test started. R&P will clean varnish so it’s safe to say it would have not varnished in that test. We’ve seen some varnished M1 pics here too so I would say it depends on the engine and conditions.

I didn’t notice any improvement until the 3rd oci so I recommend doing at least 4 with R&P.