I meant a big +1 to shutting down Toyota in the US. Personally, I am sick of seeing Toyota's in NASCAR. Kind of makes me sick to know that they have befuddled their way into everything that is American, and have infected so many minds in thinking that Toyota is more American than any of the big three.
Toyota Cover Up
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Originally Posted By: VNTS
Why should it be locked, people are posting pertinent links to the investigation and Toyota cover up. Very interesting stuff.
Cant wait for the CEO Toyoda to be on the stand under oath.
Is the kool aid a little sour ???
Originally Posted By: opus1
In before locking....
Psst....check my sig for the fleet. No kool-aid, just an editorial comment on the past history of Toyota threads here. Carry on.....
Why should it be locked, people are posting pertinent links to the investigation and Toyota cover up. Very interesting stuff.
Cant wait for the CEO Toyoda to be on the stand under oath.
Is the kool aid a little sour ???
Originally Posted By: opus1
In before locking....
Psst....check my sig for the fleet. No kool-aid, just an editorial comment on the past history of Toyota threads here. Carry on.....
I dont mean to come off as insensitive to those affected by the recalls, but im glad Toyota is having problems. I am hopeful that this will bring back interest in American brands.
Originally Posted By: ARB1977
Japan Toyota is going to shut down the US Toyota and import Toyotas from Japan....now we get some real made cars and trucks just like it used to be.
Japanese-built Toyotas have had serious issues also:
Japan Inquiry Into Accident Could Tarnish Toyota Image
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...the police in Kumamoto, a small city in southern Japan, accused Toyota of failing to recall the type of S.U.V. involved in an accident in 2004 that injured a family of five, despite having known for years of a fault in the steering assembly.
Japan Toyota is going to shut down the US Toyota and import Toyotas from Japan....now we get some real made cars and trucks just like it used to be.
Japanese-built Toyotas have had serious issues also:
Japan Inquiry Into Accident Could Tarnish Toyota Image
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...the police in Kumamoto, a small city in southern Japan, accused Toyota of failing to recall the type of S.U.V. involved in an accident in 2004 that injured a family of five, despite having known for years of a fault in the steering assembly.
I dont have much left to add other than this is now officially Toyotas Pinto......They did act in an irresponsible manner, they have put a price on human life, they have tried to cover this up.....no more excuses! 100 million for 24 lives....it's sickening.
http://www.freep.com/article/20100221/BU...-limited-recall
http://www.freep.com/article/20100222/BU...-legal-troubles
http://www.freep.com/article/20100221/BU...-limited-recall
http://www.freep.com/article/20100222/BU...-legal-troubles
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I believe that the concept of "saving face" may be applicable here.
http://www.colorado.edu/conflict/peace/treatment/facesavr.htm
"Saving face" is a time honored tradition in many Asian countries including Japan.
What the Asian culture defines as "saving face" could be looked upon as "cover up" in the USA.
http://www.colorado.edu/conflict/peace/treatment/facesavr.htm
"Saving face" is a time honored tradition in many Asian countries including Japan.
What the Asian culture defines as "saving face" could be looked upon as "cover up" in the USA.
This isnt face saving at all.....unless your willing to ignore the fact that they acted in such a manner as to save themselves 100 million dollars.
Its becoming very clear that the attempts to slime CTS are nothing more than attempts at helping out their future litigation. Toyota is smoke screening the entire American market and we have every right be very upset at them as a corporate entity.
Its becoming very clear that the attempts to slime CTS are nothing more than attempts at helping out their future litigation. Toyota is smoke screening the entire American market and we have every right be very upset at them as a corporate entity.
Warning -- Helen's going to lock this thread, because you're bashing Toyota....
Helen can do whatever she wants.....it's her sand box.
But at some point someone has got to admit to themselves that some amount of bashing is earned. Toyota put a price on human life and they should pay for that, is it not fair to discuss that? Should we all just ignore this revelation?
If pointing out the truth is now labeled as bashing around here then so be it......the relevance of the board will suffer as a result IMO.
But at some point someone has got to admit to themselves that some amount of bashing is earned. Toyota put a price on human life and they should pay for that, is it not fair to discuss that? Should we all just ignore this revelation?
If pointing out the truth is now labeled as bashing around here then so be it......the relevance of the board will suffer as a result IMO.
Originally Posted By: Jeepster_nut
I dont mean to come off as insensitive to those affected by the recalls, but im glad Toyota is having problems. I am hopeful that this will bring back interest in American brands.
Same here. After the royal screw job Toyota gave me on my 05 Tacoma I hope the company crashes and burns and goes belly up forever. Like you I feel for those that have been impacted by this but I won't lie I would love to see Toyota sink like the Titanic - forever. Won't happen as too many people think they are the end all be all but maybe it will finally open some eyes to the fact they are a lousy company that does not make vehicles any better than the competition.
I dont mean to come off as insensitive to those affected by the recalls, but im glad Toyota is having problems. I am hopeful that this will bring back interest in American brands.
Same here. After the royal screw job Toyota gave me on my 05 Tacoma I hope the company crashes and burns and goes belly up forever. Like you I feel for those that have been impacted by this but I won't lie I would love to see Toyota sink like the Titanic - forever. Won't happen as too many people think they are the end all be all but maybe it will finally open some eyes to the fact they are a lousy company that does not make vehicles any better than the competition.
Originally Posted By: Jeepster_nut
I dont mean to come off as insensitive to those affected by the recalls, but im glad Toyota is having problems. I am hopeful that this will bring back interest in American brands.
If you're Ford, yes. If you're Government Motors, no.
I dont mean to come off as insensitive to those affected by the recalls, but im glad Toyota is having problems. I am hopeful that this will bring back interest in American brands.
If you're Ford, yes. If you're Government Motors, no.
I think at this point though I would rather have a GM over a Toyota. One company got too big, too fast and is in a downward spiral, the other company is at the bottom and (hopefully) can only come back up. Its the lesser of two evils IMO of course.
Originally Posted By: Rickey
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Rickey
"Toyota Boasted Saving $100M on Recall, Documents Show"
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,587090,00.html
(Caution automotive sarcasm ahead)
If this had been GM they would already be bankrupt.
The plot thickens.
Toyota death watch ? ..... Anyone ?
I predict that sales will plummet as their false reputation for quality and honesty deflates.
The stock market will follow. Get out while you still have your shirt.
What evidence does anyone have that the more expensive recall would have been more beneficial to consumers?
Why should a company just bend over and do whatever a regulator wants if they think it is wasteful? What's wrong with negotiating it?
Or do we have a problem with the attachment of positive words to a recall, and are we totally uninterested in the content of the matter?
These are honest questions BTW.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Rickey
"Toyota Boasted Saving $100M on Recall, Documents Show"
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,587090,00.html
(Caution automotive sarcasm ahead)
If this had been GM they would already be bankrupt.
The plot thickens.
Toyota death watch ? ..... Anyone ?
I predict that sales will plummet as their false reputation for quality and honesty deflates.
The stock market will follow. Get out while you still have your shirt.
What evidence does anyone have that the more expensive recall would have been more beneficial to consumers?
Why should a company just bend over and do whatever a regulator wants if they think it is wasteful? What's wrong with negotiating it?
Or do we have a problem with the attachment of positive words to a recall, and are we totally uninterested in the content of the matter?
These are honest questions BTW.
Originally Posted By: Jeepster_nut
I dont mean to come off as insensitive to those affected by the recalls, but im glad Toyota is having problems. I am hopeful that this will bring back interest in American brands.
I would have hoped you'd have more respect for American brands and American customers than to say something like that.
The American brands would have been fine. They didn't need Toyota to be shot in the leg. All this fiasco is doing is generating bad vibes.
I dont mean to come off as insensitive to those affected by the recalls, but im glad Toyota is having problems. I am hopeful that this will bring back interest in American brands.
I would have hoped you'd have more respect for American brands and American customers than to say something like that.
The American brands would have been fine. They didn't need Toyota to be shot in the leg. All this fiasco is doing is generating bad vibes.
Originally Posted By: ARB1977
My dad just got a job working for Toyota answering phone calls about the recall....anyway they heard if Toyota in the US does not get their stuff together. Japan Toyota is going to shut down the US Toyota and import Toyotas from Japan....now we get some real made cars and trucks just like it used to be.
So true!
I've always tried to buy Toyota vehicles built in Japan.
Our RX was built in Canada but has been great so far.
My dad just got a job working for Toyota answering phone calls about the recall....anyway they heard if Toyota in the US does not get their stuff together. Japan Toyota is going to shut down the US Toyota and import Toyotas from Japan....now we get some real made cars and trucks just like it used to be.
So true!
I've always tried to buy Toyota vehicles built in Japan.
Our RX was built in Canada but has been great so far.
Originally Posted By: nthach
Originally Posted By: Jeepster_nut
I dont mean to come off as insensitive to those affected by the recalls, but im glad Toyota is having problems. I am hopeful that this will bring back interest in American brands.
If you're Ford, yes. If you're Government Motors, no.
I agree!!!
Originally Posted By: Jeepster_nut
I dont mean to come off as insensitive to those affected by the recalls, but im glad Toyota is having problems. I am hopeful that this will bring back interest in American brands.
If you're Ford, yes. If you're Government Motors, no.
I agree!!!
Originally Posted By: USA1
I meant a big +1 to shutting down Toyota in the US. Personally, I am sick of seeing Toyota's in NASCAR. Kind of makes me sick to know that they have befuddled their way into everything that is American, and have infected so many minds in thinking that Toyota is more American than any of the big three.
So just so I understand, you are giving a big +1 to closing all the Toyota factories in the US and probably Canada too, and having Toyota build all of their cars in Japan.
Because that's what you just gave a big +1 to, killing a bunch of jobs in the US and creating more jobs in another country.
So in other words, you want Toyota to be like GM, Ford and Chrysler and export American jobs overseas.
OK, just wanted to make sure I understood. You are in favor of exporting the jobs of US workers.
I meant a big +1 to shutting down Toyota in the US. Personally, I am sick of seeing Toyota's in NASCAR. Kind of makes me sick to know that they have befuddled their way into everything that is American, and have infected so many minds in thinking that Toyota is more American than any of the big three.
So just so I understand, you are giving a big +1 to closing all the Toyota factories in the US and probably Canada too, and having Toyota build all of their cars in Japan.
Because that's what you just gave a big +1 to, killing a bunch of jobs in the US and creating more jobs in another country.
So in other words, you want Toyota to be like GM, Ford and Chrysler and export American jobs overseas.
OK, just wanted to make sure I understood. You are in favor of exporting the jobs of US workers.
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