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Originally Posted by DoubleWasp
Originally Posted by grampi
Seems like you'd better check the numbers again, his are spot on...
Just did. It's still wrong. To be fair, I didn't check Storm front for statistics.
The point is, the demographic we're talking about commits far more crimes than any other demographic...
Originally Posted by grampi
Seems like you'd better check the numbers again, his are spot on...
Just did. It's still wrong. To be fair, I didn't check Storm front for statistics.
The point is, the demographic we're talking about commits far more crimes than any other demographic...
Originally Posted by DoubleWasp
Originally Posted by grampi
Originally Posted by greenjp
These discussions are funny.
Who's the bigger group of sissies - the players & owners who want to avoid injuries, or the folks who's tender sensibilities are offended by some of the player's using their fame as a platform to raise awareness for what they perceive as a social injustice?
You forgot one...the crybaby players protesting because people in their social group get arrested when they break the law and then claim they're being oppressed...
It's a lot easier to make it out to be about that, rather than the truth: That it's about people being killed for reasons that even police, internal affairs, and prosecutors have a problem with in multiple cases.
But ignoring the death, the fact it occurred apropos of nothing in many of those cases, and the fact that even the police refused to tolerate the actions of its own in many of those cases sure does help your narrative. Son see why you twisted it that way.
What I posted is the truth. The overwhelming number of cops vs blacks encounters involves the black person(s) breaking the law, then fighting with police. Very few of these incidents occur when the person is doing absolutely nothing wrong and the cops are just picking on them. To listen to the kneelers, you'd think that was always the case. It does happen, but it's rare. Most of these people have a rap sheet a mile long and are far from being innocent, law abiding citizens...
Originally Posted by grampi
Originally Posted by greenjp
These discussions are funny.
Who's the bigger group of sissies - the players & owners who want to avoid injuries, or the folks who's tender sensibilities are offended by some of the player's using their fame as a platform to raise awareness for what they perceive as a social injustice?
You forgot one...the crybaby players protesting because people in their social group get arrested when they break the law and then claim they're being oppressed...
It's a lot easier to make it out to be about that, rather than the truth: That it's about people being killed for reasons that even police, internal affairs, and prosecutors have a problem with in multiple cases.
But ignoring the death, the fact it occurred apropos of nothing in many of those cases, and the fact that even the police refused to tolerate the actions of its own in many of those cases sure does help your narrative. Son see why you twisted it that way.
What I posted is the truth. The overwhelming number of cops vs blacks encounters involves the black person(s) breaking the law, then fighting with police. Very few of these incidents occur when the person is doing absolutely nothing wrong and the cops are just picking on them. To listen to the kneelers, you'd think that was always the case. It does happen, but it's rare. Most of these people have a rap sheet a mile long and are far from being innocent, law abiding citizens...
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Though this year they're playing more like these guys.
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Though this year they're playing more like these guys.
Originally Posted by grampi
Originally Posted by WyrTwister
And there is the outrage about taking a knee ! :-(
It's for a good reason (the outrage, not the kneeling)...
Have not watched football to any significant extent in ages . So I can not really say I know what the taking of a knee is about .
I can say it is disgusting to dis honor the flag / anthem .
Originally Posted by WyrTwister
And there is the outrage about taking a knee ! :-(
It's for a good reason (the outrage, not the kneeling)...
Have not watched football to any significant extent in ages . So I can not really say I know what the taking of a knee is about .
I can say it is disgusting to dis honor the flag / anthem .
Originally Posted by grampi
Originally Posted by DoubleWasp
Originally Posted by grampi
Seems like you'd better check the numbers again, his are spot on...
Just did. It's still wrong. To be fair, I didn't check Storm front for statistics.
The point is, the demographic we're talking about commits far more crimes than any other demographic...
I have no grievance with those who find it laughable that a bunch of millionaires living above the strife that they protest do so. I only take them seriously when they put their money where their mouth is getting their hands dirty to effect actual change.
It is completely possible to reject the players, and reject the radical groups without supporting the other, equally negative side of the table.
My opinion on the subject is that the police have a real problem that they often handle in completely the wrong way, according to our own Constitution that all demographics voted for, and we have groups and celebrities reacting to that problem in completely the wrong way, only propogating negativity.
Regardless of anyone statistics, our nation was born out of rejecting a nation that classified people by "expectations" of certain classes. (And everyone was the same demographic, yet they managed to find a way to breaknit up, and defecate on people) Our forefathers began the process of hurling that system in the garbage can.
Also regardless of any statistics or beliefs, pretty much anyone of any demographic can find themselves in a position where they are unfairly judged by origin, money, clothing, dialect, etc. within their own demographic, or have statistics and aspersions cast on them, so why take part in maintaining this system?
It's literally helping nobody at all.
Originally Posted by DoubleWasp
Originally Posted by grampi
Seems like you'd better check the numbers again, his are spot on...
Just did. It's still wrong. To be fair, I didn't check Storm front for statistics.
The point is, the demographic we're talking about commits far more crimes than any other demographic...
I have no grievance with those who find it laughable that a bunch of millionaires living above the strife that they protest do so. I only take them seriously when they put their money where their mouth is getting their hands dirty to effect actual change.
It is completely possible to reject the players, and reject the radical groups without supporting the other, equally negative side of the table.
My opinion on the subject is that the police have a real problem that they often handle in completely the wrong way, according to our own Constitution that all demographics voted for, and we have groups and celebrities reacting to that problem in completely the wrong way, only propogating negativity.
Regardless of anyone statistics, our nation was born out of rejecting a nation that classified people by "expectations" of certain classes. (And everyone was the same demographic, yet they managed to find a way to breaknit up, and defecate on people) Our forefathers began the process of hurling that system in the garbage can.
Also regardless of any statistics or beliefs, pretty much anyone of any demographic can find themselves in a position where they are unfairly judged by origin, money, clothing, dialect, etc. within their own demographic, or have statistics and aspersions cast on them, so why take part in maintaining this system?
It's literally helping nobody at all.
Originally Posted by grampi
Originally Posted by DoubleWasp
Originally Posted by grampi
Originally Posted by greenjp
These discussions are funny.
Who's the bigger group of sissies - the players & owners who want to avoid injuries, or the folks who's tender sensibilities are offended by some of the player's using their fame as a platform to raise awareness for what they perceive as a social injustice?
You forgot one...the crybaby players protesting because people in their social group get arrested when they break the law and then claim they're being oppressed...
It's a lot easier to make it out to be about that, rather than the truth: That it's about people being killed for reasons that even police, internal affairs, and prosecutors have a problem with in multiple cases.
But ignoring the death, the fact it occurred apropos of nothing in many of those cases, and the fact that even the police refused to tolerate the actions of its own in many of those cases sure does help your narrative. Son see why you twisted it that way.
What I posted is the truth. The overwhelming number of cops vs blacks encounters involves the black person(s) breaking the law, then fighting with police. Very few of these incidents occur when the person is doing absolutely nothing wrong and the cops are just picking on them. To listen to the kneelers, you'd think that was always the case. It does happen, but it's rare. Most of these people have a rap sheet a mile long and are far from being innocent, law abiding citizens...
You'd be amazed how often that is exactly the case. I've been witness to far too much of this stuff in my short life, and I don't even "fit the description". The overuse of force by police is surprisingly common and astounding.
I, myself have been subject to this for no other reason than I drive a pickup truck, and they were looking for a pickup truck. They had no human description at all, so demographic was not a factor.
Yet, I still ended up with two guns in my face, and nearly ventilated because my truck cannot be opened from the outside without unlocking the door. Yes, some cops are so stupid that they don't even know about automatic power locks, and are willing to kill a human being because they don't know how those work.
Originally Posted by DoubleWasp
Originally Posted by grampi
Originally Posted by greenjp
These discussions are funny.
Who's the bigger group of sissies - the players & owners who want to avoid injuries, or the folks who's tender sensibilities are offended by some of the player's using their fame as a platform to raise awareness for what they perceive as a social injustice?
You forgot one...the crybaby players protesting because people in their social group get arrested when they break the law and then claim they're being oppressed...
It's a lot easier to make it out to be about that, rather than the truth: That it's about people being killed for reasons that even police, internal affairs, and prosecutors have a problem with in multiple cases.
But ignoring the death, the fact it occurred apropos of nothing in many of those cases, and the fact that even the police refused to tolerate the actions of its own in many of those cases sure does help your narrative. Son see why you twisted it that way.
What I posted is the truth. The overwhelming number of cops vs blacks encounters involves the black person(s) breaking the law, then fighting with police. Very few of these incidents occur when the person is doing absolutely nothing wrong and the cops are just picking on them. To listen to the kneelers, you'd think that was always the case. It does happen, but it's rare. Most of these people have a rap sheet a mile long and are far from being innocent, law abiding citizens...
You'd be amazed how often that is exactly the case. I've been witness to far too much of this stuff in my short life, and I don't even "fit the description". The overuse of force by police is surprisingly common and astounding.
I, myself have been subject to this for no other reason than I drive a pickup truck, and they were looking for a pickup truck. They had no human description at all, so demographic was not a factor.
Yet, I still ended up with two guns in my face, and nearly ventilated because my truck cannot be opened from the outside without unlocking the door. Yes, some cops are so stupid that they don't even know about automatic power locks, and are willing to kill a human being because they don't know how those work.
I do agree that a very small percentage of police don't know how to act right... Or take their "authority" way, way to far. I've been a part of this nonsense myself. It was crazy.
But that is a rather small percentage of them.. and the overwhelming percentage of interactions between civilians and police are without incident. But when we have a "media" with an agenda... Searching high and low for anything "suspicious"... In a nation as large has ours is... They can find it. It is a mathematical and statistical eventuality.
Going to CTE...
It's not a one size fits all. I believe it is a very broad spectrum. Person A gets knocked out and recovers quickly. They get knocked out again shortly after.. and they are fine again.. in other words be they never have any problems with CTE... Person B gets knocked out and has issues recovering and it is a slow process.. that person gets knocked out again and it takes even longer the 2nd time to truly recover. And eventually they have long term effects... And many other circumstances in between these two here..
Key point... We have to identify very early on who is going to have problems and who will not... And treat those people accordingly. Plus they will have the information to make an educated and informed decision going forward.
I remember Dale Earnhardt Jr got knocked out in 2004 Corvette race... You could tell he was not right for 4-5 weeks. Until he won the Bristol night race.. It didn't surprise me in 2012 he decided to sit out 2 races... In fact I would have been glad if he decided not to run his last season. Id bet he had been knocked out before that 2004 race... But that one he really had a hard time recovering from. I would say Dale Jr is on the more affected side of this spectrum. Where has other drivers have had the same or worse situations... And recovered quickly and just fine afterwards. Again they key is identifying those who are more susceptible to having trouble early on or when someone crosses a line to where they will start having trouble.
But that is a rather small percentage of them.. and the overwhelming percentage of interactions between civilians and police are without incident. But when we have a "media" with an agenda... Searching high and low for anything "suspicious"... In a nation as large has ours is... They can find it. It is a mathematical and statistical eventuality.
Going to CTE...
It's not a one size fits all. I believe it is a very broad spectrum. Person A gets knocked out and recovers quickly. They get knocked out again shortly after.. and they are fine again.. in other words be they never have any problems with CTE... Person B gets knocked out and has issues recovering and it is a slow process.. that person gets knocked out again and it takes even longer the 2nd time to truly recover. And eventually they have long term effects... And many other circumstances in between these two here..
Key point... We have to identify very early on who is going to have problems and who will not... And treat those people accordingly. Plus they will have the information to make an educated and informed decision going forward.
I remember Dale Earnhardt Jr got knocked out in 2004 Corvette race... You could tell he was not right for 4-5 weeks. Until he won the Bristol night race.. It didn't surprise me in 2012 he decided to sit out 2 races... In fact I would have been glad if he decided not to run his last season. Id bet he had been knocked out before that 2004 race... But that one he really had a hard time recovering from. I would say Dale Jr is on the more affected side of this spectrum. Where has other drivers have had the same or worse situations... And recovered quickly and just fine afterwards. Again they key is identifying those who are more susceptible to having trouble early on or when someone crosses a line to where they will start having trouble.
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Originally Posted by bbhero
Going to CTE...
It's not a one size fits all. I believe it is a very broad spectrum. Person A gets knocked out and recovers quickly. They get knocked out again shortly after.. and they are fine again.. in other words be they never have any problems with CTE... Person B gets knocked out and has issues recovering and it is a slow process.. that person gets knocked out again and it takes even longer the 2nd time to truly recover. And eventually they have long term effects... And many other circumstances in between these two here..
Key point... We have to identify very early on who is going to have problems and who will not... And treat those people accordingly. Plus they will have the information to make an educated and informed decision going forward.
I remember Dale Earnhardt Jr got knocked out in 2004 Corvette race... You could tell he was not right for 4-5 weeks. Until he won the Bristol night race.. It didn't surprise me in 2012 he decided to sit out 2 races... In fact I would have been glad if he decided not to run his last season. Id bet he had been knocked out before that 2004 race... But that one he really had a hard time recovering from. I would say Dale Jr is on the more affected side of this spectrum. Where has other drivers have had the same or worse situations... And recovered quickly and just fine afterwards. Again they key is identifying those who are more susceptible to having trouble early on or when someone crosses a line to where they will start having trouble.
CTE stands for "chronic traumatic encepalopathy". Emphasis on the "chronic", in that they're finding that CTE is more often caused by the accumulation of repeated sub-concussive hits, not the spectacular get-your-bell-rung hits that cause concussions. In other words, the stuff that the offensive linemen, defensive linemen and linebackers do EVERY SINGLE PLAY causes CTE, not necessarily big hits that cause concussions. I have no doubt that they're not good for anyone either, but they're not the primary cause of CTE from what I've read; that's the every-play helmet collisions that linemen do every play, or running backs every time they get tackled, etc... It's the same thing that boxers get- "punch-drunk"/dementia pugilistica, and for the same reason- every punch or helmet hit counts, even if it's not one that gives anyone a concussion.
But the NFL has started making a lot of racket about concussions and that kind of thing, because that's something they can be seen making an effort about, even though they're not changing the game in any fundamental way that would lessen most players' risk for CTE.
I have a feeling that this lack of action is going to come back and bite the NFL in the [censored] hard in years to come.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...be-behind-a-type-of-chronic-brain-damage
Going to CTE...
It's not a one size fits all. I believe it is a very broad spectrum. Person A gets knocked out and recovers quickly. They get knocked out again shortly after.. and they are fine again.. in other words be they never have any problems with CTE... Person B gets knocked out and has issues recovering and it is a slow process.. that person gets knocked out again and it takes even longer the 2nd time to truly recover. And eventually they have long term effects... And many other circumstances in between these two here..
Key point... We have to identify very early on who is going to have problems and who will not... And treat those people accordingly. Plus they will have the information to make an educated and informed decision going forward.
I remember Dale Earnhardt Jr got knocked out in 2004 Corvette race... You could tell he was not right for 4-5 weeks. Until he won the Bristol night race.. It didn't surprise me in 2012 he decided to sit out 2 races... In fact I would have been glad if he decided not to run his last season. Id bet he had been knocked out before that 2004 race... But that one he really had a hard time recovering from. I would say Dale Jr is on the more affected side of this spectrum. Where has other drivers have had the same or worse situations... And recovered quickly and just fine afterwards. Again they key is identifying those who are more susceptible to having trouble early on or when someone crosses a line to where they will start having trouble.
CTE stands for "chronic traumatic encepalopathy". Emphasis on the "chronic", in that they're finding that CTE is more often caused by the accumulation of repeated sub-concussive hits, not the spectacular get-your-bell-rung hits that cause concussions. In other words, the stuff that the offensive linemen, defensive linemen and linebackers do EVERY SINGLE PLAY causes CTE, not necessarily big hits that cause concussions. I have no doubt that they're not good for anyone either, but they're not the primary cause of CTE from what I've read; that's the every-play helmet collisions that linemen do every play, or running backs every time they get tackled, etc... It's the same thing that boxers get- "punch-drunk"/dementia pugilistica, and for the same reason- every punch or helmet hit counts, even if it's not one that gives anyone a concussion.
But the NFL has started making a lot of racket about concussions and that kind of thing, because that's something they can be seen making an effort about, even though they're not changing the game in any fundamental way that would lessen most players' risk for CTE.
I have a feeling that this lack of action is going to come back and bite the NFL in the [censored] hard in years to come.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...be-behind-a-type-of-chronic-brain-damage
White guys who have never been pulled over for driving while black are ill equipped to intelligently comment on matters like the players' protests.
Can white guys who have been pulled over for driving while black intelligently comment?
Originally Posted by Linctex
NFL franchise, its clothing & gear, and all of their sponsors get not ONE DIME from me for all their efforts.
They advertise so many products...cars, drinks, foods, etc..you probably use any of those products every single day....probably many, many, many dimes.
NFL franchise, its clothing & gear, and all of their sponsors get not ONE DIME from me for all their efforts.
They advertise so many products...cars, drinks, foods, etc..you probably use any of those products every single day....probably many, many, many dimes.
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Originally Posted by greenjp
White guys who have never been pulled over for driving while black are ill equipped to intelligently comment on matters like the players' protests.
White guys who have never been pulled over for driving while black are ill equipped to intelligently comment on matters like the players' protests.
Originally Posted by bbhero
I do agree that a very small percentage of police don't know how to act right... Or take their "authority" way, way to far. I've been a part of this nonsense myself. It was crazy.
But that is a rather small percentage of them.. and the overwhelming percentage of interactions between civilians and police are without incident. But when we have a "media" with an agenda... Searching high and low for anything "suspicious"... In a nation as large has ours is... They can find it. It is a mathematical and statistical eventuality.
Going to CTE...
It's not a one size fits all. I believe it is a very broad spectrum. Person A gets knocked out and recovers quickly. They get knocked out again shortly after.. and they are fine again.. in other words be they never have any problems with CTE... Person B gets knocked out and has issues recovering and it is a slow process.. that person gets knocked out again and it takes even longer the 2nd time to truly recover. And eventually they have long term effects... And many other circumstances in between these two here..
Key point... We have to identify very early on who is going to have problems and who will not... And treat those people accordingly. Plus they will have the information to make an educated and informed decision going forward.
I remember Dale Earnhardt Jr got knocked out in 2004 Corvette race... You could tell he was not right for 4-5 weeks. Until he won the Bristol night race.. It didn't surprise me in 2012 he decided to sit out 2 races... In fact I would have been glad if he decided not to run his last season. Id bet he had been knocked out before that 2004 race... But that one he really had a hard time recovering from. I would say Dale Jr is on the more affected side of this spectrum. Where has other drivers have had the same or worse situations... And recovered quickly and just fine afterwards. Again they key is identifying those who are more susceptible to having trouble early on or when someone crosses a line to where they will start having trouble.
CTE is to football as AIDS is to a swinging bachelor. It was all fun and games until it was discovered that there are consequences.
Difference is, there's no way to further strap up to continue to enjoy the game.
The NFL kind of dug under it's own feet by reacting too slow to the discovery, and further digs itself by the way that it makes so much more money than the players, on the backs of the players. The sheer size of the NFL makes them a very large and public target, as well as the super nasty nature of the disease. It's easy to brush off a broken bone, but not so easy to brush off suicides and people gaining the desire to slaughter their own families.
If anything, that might be the largest factor. CTE is like something invented by the devil, and then "improved" by something more disgusting than he.
Red Bull sponsors sports and events that are ridiculously more dangerous than football, with incidences of grievous injury and death. But there's not even a fraction of the blowback, probably because nobody leaves the X-Games and then goes home to sit in a dark room with a gun plotting crazy stuff.
Also something that absolutely nobody signed up for. Broken bones, yeah. Happens. Knew it coming in. Criminal insanity? Not so much.
Where the police are concerned, I believe most are good. Police are the only reason I'm sitting here at night and don't have to have a bandolier and an AK-47 strapped to my chest, like in many places around the world. Most of them are doing their job, and doing it right.
That isn't the issue. The issue is the sheer impunity. It doesn't matter to me what the profession is. Doesn't matter to me the color, creed, belief, job, title, or anything. Our nation was founded a nation of laws. Our founding documents laid out a lot of very simple things. Two of which are:
A citizen of this nation who is not engaged in wrongdoing shall be unmolested without cause.
A citizen who engages in wrongdoing shall be punished.
Doesn't matter to me what they look like or what they do for a living. That any person anywhere pretty much gets a free pass at breaking the law is UNACCEPTABLE for our great nation. But it seems like law enforcement too often has this different set of rules. They can do revolting things to citizens and it's just "Oh. Too bad.".
Let's say a person is not an LEO, but just gets away with wrongdoing. That is equally disgusting.
A small percentage of football players allegedly disrespect our flag (but commit no crime or physical harm) and people want to throw the NFL in the can.
A small percentage of police officers completely disrespect the core values our American nation and their profession were founded on by brutalizing and killing people outside of Constitutional Law and we're all just supposed to move along like nothing happened? Where does the intolerance for disrespect of our nation suddenly vanish to?
Armed men surrounded my vehicle, placed loaded weapons within inches of my face, threatened me with death, and a superior out of view of what was even going on yelled "He's refusing! Light him up!". My death was ordered in the middle of the street without any sort of due process. My parents told me that we were a better nation than the Soviet Union because things like that don't happen in the USA.
Serious question: These statistics outlining that overuse of force is not that big of a deal and rarely happens. What good do they do me? How is is not as bad as it is made out to be for me?
The knowledge that I can just be going about my business and get my ticket punched in broad daylight by a representative of my government who will go home, collect his paycheck, and sleep like a baby, without anyone giving a truck is not something easily brushed over.
Other crimes and tragedies have an effin' response. This one is just like "Hey, stuff happens. Enjoy your funeral idiot."
I do agree that a very small percentage of police don't know how to act right... Or take their "authority" way, way to far. I've been a part of this nonsense myself. It was crazy.
But that is a rather small percentage of them.. and the overwhelming percentage of interactions between civilians and police are without incident. But when we have a "media" with an agenda... Searching high and low for anything "suspicious"... In a nation as large has ours is... They can find it. It is a mathematical and statistical eventuality.
Going to CTE...
It's not a one size fits all. I believe it is a very broad spectrum. Person A gets knocked out and recovers quickly. They get knocked out again shortly after.. and they are fine again.. in other words be they never have any problems with CTE... Person B gets knocked out and has issues recovering and it is a slow process.. that person gets knocked out again and it takes even longer the 2nd time to truly recover. And eventually they have long term effects... And many other circumstances in between these two here..
Key point... We have to identify very early on who is going to have problems and who will not... And treat those people accordingly. Plus they will have the information to make an educated and informed decision going forward.
I remember Dale Earnhardt Jr got knocked out in 2004 Corvette race... You could tell he was not right for 4-5 weeks. Until he won the Bristol night race.. It didn't surprise me in 2012 he decided to sit out 2 races... In fact I would have been glad if he decided not to run his last season. Id bet he had been knocked out before that 2004 race... But that one he really had a hard time recovering from. I would say Dale Jr is on the more affected side of this spectrum. Where has other drivers have had the same or worse situations... And recovered quickly and just fine afterwards. Again they key is identifying those who are more susceptible to having trouble early on or when someone crosses a line to where they will start having trouble.
CTE is to football as AIDS is to a swinging bachelor. It was all fun and games until it was discovered that there are consequences.
Difference is, there's no way to further strap up to continue to enjoy the game.
The NFL kind of dug under it's own feet by reacting too slow to the discovery, and further digs itself by the way that it makes so much more money than the players, on the backs of the players. The sheer size of the NFL makes them a very large and public target, as well as the super nasty nature of the disease. It's easy to brush off a broken bone, but not so easy to brush off suicides and people gaining the desire to slaughter their own families.
If anything, that might be the largest factor. CTE is like something invented by the devil, and then "improved" by something more disgusting than he.
Red Bull sponsors sports and events that are ridiculously more dangerous than football, with incidences of grievous injury and death. But there's not even a fraction of the blowback, probably because nobody leaves the X-Games and then goes home to sit in a dark room with a gun plotting crazy stuff.
Also something that absolutely nobody signed up for. Broken bones, yeah. Happens. Knew it coming in. Criminal insanity? Not so much.
Where the police are concerned, I believe most are good. Police are the only reason I'm sitting here at night and don't have to have a bandolier and an AK-47 strapped to my chest, like in many places around the world. Most of them are doing their job, and doing it right.
That isn't the issue. The issue is the sheer impunity. It doesn't matter to me what the profession is. Doesn't matter to me the color, creed, belief, job, title, or anything. Our nation was founded a nation of laws. Our founding documents laid out a lot of very simple things. Two of which are:
A citizen of this nation who is not engaged in wrongdoing shall be unmolested without cause.
A citizen who engages in wrongdoing shall be punished.
Doesn't matter to me what they look like or what they do for a living. That any person anywhere pretty much gets a free pass at breaking the law is UNACCEPTABLE for our great nation. But it seems like law enforcement too often has this different set of rules. They can do revolting things to citizens and it's just "Oh. Too bad.".
Let's say a person is not an LEO, but just gets away with wrongdoing. That is equally disgusting.
A small percentage of football players allegedly disrespect our flag (but commit no crime or physical harm) and people want to throw the NFL in the can.
A small percentage of police officers completely disrespect the core values our American nation and their profession were founded on by brutalizing and killing people outside of Constitutional Law and we're all just supposed to move along like nothing happened? Where does the intolerance for disrespect of our nation suddenly vanish to?
Armed men surrounded my vehicle, placed loaded weapons within inches of my face, threatened me with death, and a superior out of view of what was even going on yelled "He's refusing! Light him up!". My death was ordered in the middle of the street without any sort of due process. My parents told me that we were a better nation than the Soviet Union because things like that don't happen in the USA.
Serious question: These statistics outlining that overuse of force is not that big of a deal and rarely happens. What good do they do me? How is is not as bad as it is made out to be for me?
The knowledge that I can just be going about my business and get my ticket punched in broad daylight by a representative of my government who will go home, collect his paycheck, and sleep like a baby, without anyone giving a truck is not something easily brushed over.
Other crimes and tragedies have an effin' response. This one is just like "Hey, stuff happens. Enjoy your funeral idiot."
Taking a knee was not considered disrespectful 10 years ago, someone defined it as such and a bunch of sheeple decided to follow the leader.
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"I fought and literally bled…and many of my fellow and sister veterans died…protecting your right to choose whether you want to stand or kneel during the singing of a song or the raising of a flag. Don't make our sacrifice irrelevant. Kneel or stand as you like."
My father shared the above view, accepting someone's constitutional right to speech is hard for many but necessary.
Non conformity is what created our country, if our forefathers had conformed to social pressures we might be singing "God save the queen."
And I stand by my view that the National anthem was not normally televised prior to 911, except during special games and should have continued as such, where were the protests on this from 1970-2000?
The fact that people are so hard nosed on this shows ignorance and a lack of acceptance of people who are not like themselves, nothing more, nothing less.
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"I fought and literally bled…and many of my fellow and sister veterans died…protecting your right to choose whether you want to stand or kneel during the singing of a song or the raising of a flag. Don't make our sacrifice irrelevant. Kneel or stand as you like."
My father shared the above view, accepting someone's constitutional right to speech is hard for many but necessary.
Non conformity is what created our country, if our forefathers had conformed to social pressures we might be singing "God save the queen."
And I stand by my view that the National anthem was not normally televised prior to 911, except during special games and should have continued as such, where were the protests on this from 1970-2000?
The fact that people are so hard nosed on this shows ignorance and a lack of acceptance of people who are not like themselves, nothing more, nothing less.
Originally Posted by Rmay635703
Taking a knee was not considered disrespectful 10 years ago, someone defined it as such and a bunch of sheeple decided to follow the leader.
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I don't know where you got this notion. Keeling during the national anthem has always been considered disrespectful...
Taking a knee was not considered disrespectful 10 years ago, someone defined it as such and a bunch of sheeple decided to follow the leader.
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I don't know where you got this notion. Keeling during the national anthem has always been considered disrespectful...
I don't care about what the players thoughts are on issues.
I don't want to see or hear politics during a game.
Most of them can't speak a complete sentence if their life depends on it.
Take football away from them and what do they have?
Many would end up on the wrong side of the law.
Just shut up and play.Protest on your own time,not at work.
I don't want to see or hear politics during a game.
Most of them can't speak a complete sentence if their life depends on it.
Take football away from them and what do they have?
Many would end up on the wrong side of the law.
Just shut up and play.Protest on your own time,not at work.
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