The death of American footbal

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted by Brigadier
Originally Posted by SevenBizzos
NFL will always exist. It's too big and too popular and has woven itself into people's living rooms because it's a good televised game.

The game of American football is dying. People are learning more and more about the effects of long term sub-concussive head trauma, especially in younger people, and just do not choose to introduce their kids into that. That is translating into a precipitous drop in participation numbers. Leagues are folding, consolidating, and moving to 7 on 7 flag all over the place. A local high school of 5000 kids had 8 kids try out for sophomore level and less than 20 for freshman. They combined them and dropped the freshman teams.

The NFL's reaction to the mounting liability has certainly changed the game. Just like other rule changes, the players will adjust over time. This season I've only watched one quarter of NFL football (Bears/Cardinals) and it is a different game. But my sample size is small, but a lot of people seem to think the same. It will be interesting if they keep the rules and let the players adjust, or admit they changed the game and it's fundamental components too much and retreat on the rule changes.



And yet, data shows there are more concussions in girls' high school soccer than in boys high school football.

No...data shows that there are more concussions DIAGNOSED in girls soccer than boys HS football.

 

[RazorsEdge]

Yup I've lost interest in it.

I watched the playoffs and superbowl otherwise I could've cared less about it all year.

Kinda like Nascar,total garbage IMO.

 

[greenjp]

These discussions are funny.

Who's the bigger group of sissies - the players & owners who want to avoid injuries, or the folks who's tender sensibilities are offended by some of the player's using their fame as a platform to raise awareness for what they perceive as a social injustice?

 

[turtlevette]

Originally Posted by Brigadier
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So you think sissifying the police, the firefighters, and the military is a good thing as well?

We need more Bruce Jenners? Bradley Mannings?



Yes, its a great thing.

You don't get more or less. You get what you get.

I don't care if they go to flag football. It would still be better than soccer , baseball, basketball and hockey because there is strategy involved rather than running around haphazardly. It should be about skill instead of hitting to injure.

 

[spasm3]

Its all "Bread and circuses". More so than I've ever seen.

 

[DoubleWasp]

Originally Posted by turtlevette
Originally Posted by Brigadier
Originally Posted by turtlevette


The world is getting less macho as we get more civilized. You think that's a bad thing?




Yes, it is a bad thing.


We could go back to the good ole days where people fight to the death for entertainment. The romans would think everything about our society is "sissy".




The Spartans would call them sissies. Lol

 

[DoubleWasp]

Originally Posted by pbm

How can a player 'take a knee' during the offseason?


So, you admit it is about disrespecting the flag, the anthem, and the country that lets them play a game and become millionaires. It is not about oppression.

Gotcha.[/quote]


I stopped watching precisely because of the "disrespecting the flag, the anthem, and the country that lets them play a game and become millionaires."

The whole 'BLM' thing is based on a 'false narrative' when 3% of the population commits over 50% of all violent crimes and murders...that's why they have so many 'interactions' with police....'BCM'..with 'C' standing for CRIME....[/quote]

As opposed to your position based on false statistics?

Nice sponsorship of racial profiling.

 

[DoubleWasp]

Originally Posted by greenjp
These discussions are funny.

Who's the bigger group of sissies - the players & owners who want to avoid injuries, or the folks who's tender sensibilities are offended by some of the player's using their fame as a platform to raise awareness for what they perceive as a social injustice?


Now that's a good point right there.

 

[Subdued]

Originally Posted by turtlevette


I don't care if they go to flag football. It would still be better than soccer , baseball, basketball and hockey because there is strategy involved rather than running around haphazardly. It should be about skill instead of hitting to injure.

Wow. You don't know squat about those other sports if you think there isn't strategy involved.

 

[turtlevette]

Originally Posted by Subdued
Originally Posted by turtlevette


I don't care if they go to flag football. It would still be better than soccer , baseball, basketball and hockey because there is strategy involved rather than running around haphazardly. It should be about skill instead of hitting to injure.

Wow. You don't know squat about those other sports if you think there isn't strategy involved.


Its painful to watch, I know that. I'd just as soon go to the dentist than watch a soccer game. I don't think I've ever seen a whole one.

Baseball and hockey put me to sleep.

 

[alarmguy]

Originally Posted by Brigadier
Watched about 10-15 minutes of last night's NFL game.

Good grief.

QB sacked. Flag. Roughing the passer. 15 yds.

Other QB sacked. Flag. Roughing the passer. 15 yds

Why roughing the passer? The defender landed on top of the QB. Wait....wut?

I thought this was football?

What's next for next year - QB's wear flags instead?


the fun of football to me is now over, waste of time, nothing more then a HUGE CORPORATION making HUGE profits off the backs of drones who waste their time off watching their TV ads.,. ... except I do find college football fun for the very few games I watch a year.

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted by greenjp
These discussions are funny.

Who's the bigger group of sissies - the players & owners who want to avoid injuries, or the folks who's tender sensibilities are offended by some of the player's using their fame as a platform to raise awareness for what they perceive as a social injustice?


You forgot one...the crybaby players protesting because people in their social group get arrested when they break the law and then claim they're being oppressed...

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted by DoubleWasp
Originally Posted by pbm

How can a player 'take a knee' during the offseason?


So, you admit it is about disrespecting the flag, the anthem, and the country that lets them play a game and become millionaires. It is not about oppression.

Gotcha.



I stopped watching precisely because of the "disrespecting the flag, the anthem, and the country that lets them play a game and become millionaires."

The whole 'BLM' thing is based on a 'false narrative' when 3% of the population commits over 50% of all violent crimes and murders...that's why they have so many 'interactions' with police....'BCM'..with 'C' standing for CRIME....[/quote]

As opposed to your position based on false statistics?

Nice sponsorship of racial profiling.
[/quote]

Seems like you'd better check the numbers again, his are spot on...

 

[jeepman3071]

Originally Posted by greenjp
These discussions are funny.

Who's the bigger group of sissies - the players & owners who want to avoid injuries, or the folks who's tender sensibilities are offended by some of the player's using their fame as a platform to raise awareness for what they perceive as a social injustice?



I think many people stopped watching not because they were offended, but because it was yet another arena that got involved in politics. We hear about political agendas constantly from both sides from any kind of media source. For many, football was a way to tune all that out and just focus on sports. When the players started kneeling it was a turn off for many people.

Maybe this sounds selfish, but if I'm watching a game I don't care what the people playing believe in, I don't care what they stand for. I'm watching for the athletic talent. If you start forcing the other stuff on me, I lose interest. Since when did we become all involved in everyone else's feelings? Who cares! My co-workers don't know what my political beliefs are, why do I need to know what some football player paid millions believes?

 

[Brigadier]

Originally Posted by grampi
Originally Posted by greenjp
These discussions are funny.

Who's the bigger group of sissies - the players & owners who want to avoid injuries, or the folks who's tender sensibilities are offended by some of the player's using their fame as a platform to raise awareness for what they perceive as a social injustice?


You forgot one...the crybaby players protesting because people in their social group get arrested when they break the law and then claim they're being oppressed...



^^^ WINNER!!

 

[Brigadier]

Originally Posted by turtlevette
Originally Posted by Brigadier
[

So you think sissifying the police, the firefighters, and the military is a good thing as well?

We need more Bruce Jenners? Bradley Mannings?



Yes, its a great thing.

You don't get more or less. You get what you get.

I don't care if they go to flag football. It would still be better than soccer , baseball, basketball and hockey because there is strategy involved rather than running around haphazardly. It should be about skill instead of hitting to injure.



So you want more of this?

 

[DoubleWasp]

Originally Posted by grampi


Seems like you'd better check the numbers again, his are spot on...


Just did. It's still wrong. To be fair, I didn't check Storm front for statistics.

 

[DoubleWasp]

Originally Posted by grampi
Originally Posted by greenjp
These discussions are funny.

Who's the bigger group of sissies - the players & owners who want to avoid injuries, or the folks who's tender sensibilities are offended by some of the player's using their fame as a platform to raise awareness for what they perceive as a social injustice?


You forgot one...the crybaby players protesting because people in their social group get arrested when they break the law and then claim they're being oppressed...


It's a lot easier to make it out to be about that, rather than the truth: That it's about people being killed for reasons that even police, internal affairs, and prosecutors have a problem with in multiple cases.

But ignoring the death, the fact it occurred apropos of nothing in many of those cases, and the fact that even the police refused to tolerate the actions of its own in many of those cases sure does help your narrative. Son see why you twisted it that way.

 

[SteveSRT8]

"Professional" Football is a lot like "Professional" wrestling!

In most cases at your work is NOT where you protest anything, it may put your job at risk. A players value is based on what an owner thinks he can contribute to the team. If he just sows discord and creates controversy he hurts his own value.

Many NFL players have amazing charities and do a ton of philanthropic work IN THEIR SPARE TIME! And they get few headlines.

Lots of folks here fall for everything the media feeds us.

 

[Brigadier]

Originally Posted by SteveSRT8
"Professional" Football is a lot like "Professional" wrestling!

In most cases at your work is NOT where you protest anything, it may put your job at risk. A players value is based on what an owner thinks he can contribute to the team. If he just sows discord and creates controversy he hurts his own value.

Many NFL players have amazing charities and do a ton of philanthropic work IN THEIR SPARE TIME! And they get few headlines.

Lots of folks here fall for everything the media feeds us.


I didn't hear about one single off season protest march. Or press conference. Not one. And the news in my area is big on playing up those sorts of things. But then again, once the season rolls around.......

Anyway, regardless of the spoiled little brats protesting being millionaires, the league is killing its own game thru rules.