Say Goodbye to the Camaro.

[leadcounsel]

Rear quarter panel creases on these car are not obscure. The whole point of what made many muscle and pony cars look brawny and appealing was that quarter panel shape:

https://en-academic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/8291260

That, plus the proportions of the long hood, short deck, and fast roofline, are exactly what separate the styling of the Camaro from that of a Civic or Nissan.

The point, in case you missed it, is to pick out a car based on lineage by overall appearance. Without knowing what it is, there's no possible way someone would identify a Gen5 or Gen6 Camaro as a Camaro. You're pointing to a "long hood" which isn't long, a window design, and a rear corner panel? No. Just no.

Look, I'm not making this up. The Camaro is 3rd in the muscle car sales behind the Challenger and Mustang. The public has spoken. It barely sells any units at all.

If anything the Gen 5 look sort of like a 80s Camaro in the front 1/3rd with the square-ish lights, fog light placement, the air dam, long hood. That's about it. Obviously no hatchback. But then, by 2020, it entirely changed to eliminate that similarity. I have literally no idea what the idiots in GM are doing with a Camaro that looks nothing like a Camaro.

2020

But that Mustang and Challenger are extremely close replications. There's no doubt you're looking at a modern Mustang or Challenger.

 

[cheesepuffs2]

Without knowing what it is, there's no possible way someone would identify a Gen5 or Gen6 Camaro as a Camaro.

We'll have to agree to disagree,  especially in the case of the 5th gen.

Good read here: https://www.formtrends.com/five-gm-...generations-of-the-iconic-chevrolet-camaro/5/

 

[leadcounsel]

We'll have to agree to disagree,  especially in the case of the 5th gen.

Good read here: https://www.formtrends.com/five-gm-...generations-of-the-iconic-chevrolet-camaro/5/

There's no way, if you didn't have any knowledge of it, you'd have said it was a Camaro. It's not the worst of the throwbacks, I'll grant that.

I love the 60s era Camaros. I remember around 2010 when I saw a yellow modern muscle car in a parking lot. I had no idea what it might be. None. I thought it was handsome, but would never have guessed it was a Camaro. Why? Because it does not look anything like a traditional Camaro at all. Everything in that article is a big reach.

1969

 

[chris719]

Whatever you might think about the design faithfulness of the latest iterations of the Camaro, it sure as hell doesn’t look “Asian” to me.

 

[4WD]

Whatever you might think about the design faithfulness of the latest iterations of the Camaro, it sure as hell doesn’t look “Asian” to me.

That was a ZL1 anyway - the big grill kept it cool on the track when it broke records beating Corvette times …
Our Lexus has a big grill because there is no painted metal between upper/lower intakes …

 

[edyvw]

That was a ZL1 anyway - the big grill kept it cool on the track when it broke records beating Corvette times …
Our Lexus has a big grill because there is no painted metal between upper/lower intakes …

I really like what Camaro had to offer. Power, handling, STICK SHIFT! It was such breath of fresh air. And then I sit in it and I am: how is it possible to make this car with Fiat Tipo interior?
I will never understand people who signed off that performance gem and said: “yep, that interior will do it.”

 

[PF52]

There is no doubt, this is a Mustang:

That is what, a 2006? If you're going to use that picture, you should probably also use a picture of a 2010 Camaro. Just like the Mustang, it was a much closer homage to the classic car than the modern ones are. I suppose the automakers have a choice: Leave it alone year after year indefinitely, or refresh it from time to time to attract new interest?

 

[wpod]

The Camaro was dead to me after 1969.

 

[Pablo]

The new Camaro has a vague similarity to first gen but with a 90% Transformers influence that just make it a looking cartoon car. That said - nothing wrong with modern side, controls and power, IMHO.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Um. No. The shape of a rear window, and an obscure rear corner panel crease, are insufficient to be a throwback.

Take cues from Ford and Dodge. They perfectly replicated while modernized their classics. That Camaro abomination looks like a Honda Civic or Nissan or some other Asian track car.

It's a Cadillac. Powerful engine, excellent handling platform. Incredible performance for the money.

This is 2023 you know. You picked a poor performing platform where Ford went with a retro "look". The previous two generations (gen iii, gen iv) didn't look too 'Mustang'.

Ford Tried to replace the Mustang with a FORD/MAZDA FWD platform - Didn't go over too well.
But the Turbo 2.2 was quick.

Us old hotrodders who lived the era do not not refer to unibody Pony cars as Muscle cars. Those would be reserved for intermediate 2 door platforms with big block engines.

 

[4WD]

I really like what Camaro had to offer. Power, handling, STICK SHIFT! It was such breath of fresh air. And then I sit in it and I am: how is it possible to make this car with Fiat Tipo interior?
I will never understand people who signed off that performance gem and said: “yep, that interior will do it.”

Yeah - that’s what is odd about the love of old - in the new Gen they finally produced a wicked track car - and the Z comes with Ricaro - but they could of done more with the dash for sure …

 

[grampi]

That's to bad ......Love Camaros

I never got the dislike for the Camaros, especially the newer generations that went back to the first gen body style. IMO, they are easily the best looking muscle car, and once they got the 6.2 liter, one of the best performing too. I didn't care for the F-Bodies, but the newer ones are absolutely beautiful. The new ones are much better looking than the C8 IMO...

 

[4WD]

 

[4WD]

The cars in debate are not muscle cars by original meaning - in that era they were pony cars …

 

[PF52]

This is 2023 you know. You picked a poor performing platform where Ford went with a retro "look". The previous two generations (gen iii, gen iv) didn't look too 'Mustang'.

Ford Tried to replace the Mustang with a FORD/MAZDA FWD platform - Didn't go over too well.
But the Turbo 2.2 was quick.

I keep waiting for them to make a retro Mustang II or a retro Fox Body. I am sure they will eventually..... Once the current retro 60s style grows stale.

That reminds me - the 93+ version was originally touted by Ford to look like the 1964 model. It mostly didn't, of course.

 

[edyvw]

Yeah - that’s what is odd about the love of old - in the new Gen they finally produced a wicked track car - and the Z comes with Ricaro - but they could of done more with the dash for sure …

It is not fancy features etc. Just to have some class and design sense.

 

[PF52]

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That's the one! What classic Mustang is that supposed to look like? It looks Asian to me.

If Chevy can do it, Ford obviously can too.

 

[4WD]

It is not fancy features etc. Just to have some class and design sense.

A better steering wheel would go a long ways … badged as ZL1 in that model …

 

[4WD]

That's the one! What classic Mustang is that supposed to look like?

If Chevy can do it, Ford obviously can too.

It’s identical LoL …

 

[grampi]

What are the 40-50 something divorcees supposed to drive?

Not my cup of tea however sad for automotive history.

Every vehicle has an owner stigma attached. Who cares, drive what you like...