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Got the Sportwagen back from the timing chain job - ouch. They replaced my oil which was ~750 mile old HPL 5W40 Euro...oh well.

10/12/2022 73,562 mi odo/741 mi OCI/no consumption (except for the timing chain tensioner bolts!)
Out: 6 qt HPL 5W40 Euro + Mann filter + Corteco drain plug
In: 6 qt Liquimoly Leichtlauf High Tech 5W40 + Mann filter. No more disposal plastic drain plugs and plastic oil pan...upgraded to an aluminum one with a proper magnetic drain bolt.

I may drop this in a few weeks as a "flush" oil after the large repair or may just use it for the track event I'm doing in November and change it after.
 
Daughter’s 18 Kia Sportage

Out: 4.25 quarts PPHM 5W-20, 1 quart HPL EC and Fram filter
This is the second filter on this runof HPL EC. The first filter was changed at 2,000 miles and topped off.
This run was an additional 1,500 miles on a fresh filter.

In: 5 quarts PPHM 5W-30, 0.25 quarts HPL EC and a OEM Hyunda/Kia filter

The HCL EC really slowed down the oil burning. We’ll see if it starts back up again!
18 Sportage burning oil? These have 10 year of power train warranty right?
 
2014 Cadillac CTS Sport Wagon 3.0 V6 getting the last of my stash of Shell Rotella Gas Truck 5W-30 full synthetic (6 quarts) and an AC Delco PF2129G filter cartridge...74K mileage...about 4700 miles and 10 and a half months since its last change...Oil Life Monitor warned me yesterday that I should change the oil soon...5% shown on that OLM...oil still shows full on the dip stick and darker brown in color with no odd odors and no oil added during the interval

Bill
 
Doesn’t burn enough for them to cover it…
Try another dealer / call their HQ. I've had much success with KIAs warranties in the past.
On the other hand, my 17 Sportage clearly had smth wrong with the engine that I couldnt point to - some random things like 19-21 mpg on the highway, struggling to start and so on. Sold it and don't look back really
 
As you and I have gone over previously, the catalyst part #'s are the exact same for the M1 0W-40 era cars and the Pennzoil cars. There is fundamentally no difference. Heck, if I remember correctly, the 5.7L cars from that era also had the same cats. This is a topic you and I are going to vehemently disagree on it appears, but this strikes me as a ridiculous boogeyman whose mythos has extended far beyond its reach.
I pulled a 5181682AG/5181677AI for a 2012 WK2 6.4. The 2015's receive a change to one of the CAT's, but not the other. So yes, for this application, the catalysts appear unchanged.

This is a topic you and I are going to vehemently disagree on it appears, but this strikes me as a ridiculous boogeyman whose mythos has extended far beyond its reach.

I'm honestly not sure why you'd have concerns here. We are talking a few hundred PPM difference, if you are consuming enough oil for that to be a problem, it's not going to matter which oil you are using. Sure, it might get you out of the warranty period, but they are still going to fail regardless of which oil you are using.
Maybe for this application it is less of a concern, but in principle, all engines consume some amount of oil and catalyst poisoning is a cumulative effect over time. Generally speaking, the more "catalyst unfriendly" components there are in an oil, the shorter the catalyst life will be. Whether that means 200k vs. 250K, I don't know, but for someone who lives in a state that pretty much requires OE catalysts, I prefer to use oils that will give my catalysts the best chance of living the longest possible life. Replacing the catalysts at high mileage could effectively "total" a vehicle.

And yes, newer Euro vehicles stopped using full-SAPS oils when GPF's were introduced, which we've also already been over. GPF's are more sensitive to poisoning than traditional catalysts, and this also coincided with many shifting to lighter oils, which will naturally have a higher tendency to consume. And then of course there's the issue with LSPI. None of this applies to the 5.7L, 6.4L and 6.2L HEMI engines however, which are port injected and backed by traditional catalysts.
Some of this was driven by GPF's, but not always. Porsche primarily went to C40 (instead of A40) due to the GPF matter. VW has been specifying 504.00 for their Atlas models and those do not have a GPF. Honestly, I am not convinced that the older full SAPS oils provide "significantly better" wear protection for applications where they were not originally specified. Their starting points may be higher, but this may not translate to better real-world performance for all applications.

The SRT 0W-40 has ~700ppm of phosphorous according to the Blackstone UOA so I don't even think it's fair to call it mid or low SAPS, as it has lower phosphorous than those. I will reiterate, it's very much just an API SN/SN Plus/SP GF-5/GF-6 additive package in a 0W-40. It could have been a 5W-30, and, if you look at that VOA and trust Blackstone, that sample I linked was one, lol.
Keep in mind that SAPS levels are not only defined by the P/Zn content - there are other components in an oil that can increase the SA levels. For the longest time, Amsoil had a disclaimer in their Signature Series PDS that said "Fortified with detergents that exceed the dexos1 Gen 2 sulfated ash specification." All of the VOA's posted of Signature Series show a fairly standard SP/Dexos 1 add pack, but they have modestly higher levels of the other elements (compared to most oils).
 
I pulled a 5181682AG/5181677AI for a 2012 WK2 6.4. The 2015's receive a change to one of the CAT's, but not the other. So yes, for this application, the catalysts appear unchanged.
Yes, which supports what I've said.
Maybe for this application it is less of a concern, but in principle, all engines consume some amount of oil and catalyst poisoning is a cumulative effect over time. Generally speaking, the more "catalyst unfriendly" components there are in an oil, the shorter the catalyst life will be. Whether that means 200k vs. 250K, I don't know, but for someone who lives in a state that pretty much requires OE catalysts, I prefer to use oils that will give my catalysts the best chance of living the longest possible life. Replacing the catalysts at high mileage could effectively "total" a vehicle.
Sure, so then one has to consider the consumption levels. The OE has to work with the "worst case scenario" projection and the cat lasting the emissions warranty and the cheapest possible oil that meets the API requirements (which aren't very stringent).

I prefer an oil that isn't compromised on wear prevention just because a rule was written to limit phosphorous so that the cheapest possible garbage that can make it through the API approval process and gets consumed in an engine drinking 1 quart every thousand miles doesn't kill its cat within the warranty period. To each their own of course.
Some of this was driven by GPF's, but not always. Porsche primarily went to C40 (instead of A40) due to the GPF matter. VW has been specifying 504.00 for their Atlas models and those do not have a GPF. Honestly, I am not convinced that the older full SAPS oils provide "significantly better" wear protection for applications where they were not originally specified. Their starting points may be higher, but this may not translate to better real-world performance for all applications.
One of the things reduced was also TBN (detergents), as I'm sure you recall, which affected serviceable life of the fluid with higher sulphur fuels. Full SAPS is "no limits"; there aren't constraints made on phosphorous levels, so it will be very much optimized for wear prevention. Phosphorous had to be reduced a bit in the lower SAPS formulas, but it isn't a huge reduction. It's phosphorous we are talking about because that's what primarily poisons catalysts and why the API limits are so low.
Keep in mind that SAPS levels are not only defined by the P/Zn content - there are other components in an oil that can increase the SA levels. For the longest time, Amsoil had a disclaimer in their Signature Series PDS that said "Fortified with detergents that exceed the dexos1 Gen 2 sulfated ash specification." All of the VOA's posted of Signature Series show a fairly standard SP/Dexos 1 add pack, but they have modestly higher levels of the other elements (compared to most oils).
We are sort of melding two different things here. SAPS levels are primarily a concern for Euro marques, that's the genesis of the mid, low and full SAPS labelling. This does not put wildly restrictive limits on phosphorous, as I demonstrated in my reply to you. 900ppm of phosphorous is not uncommon in an ESP oil. This was primarily implemented to protect DPF and GPF's.

The API specifically limits phosphorous to 600-800ppm in anything xW-30 and below for catalyst protection, that's far more restrictive than the Euro stuff, despite their (the Euros) prolific use of GPF's. But of course the API has historically been much more lax on things like volatility, which increases the likelihood of oil making its way into the exhaust, and subsequently, phosphorous.

While yes, SAPS is more than just phosphorous, phosphorous is what most are concerned about, or are most concerned about, with regards to catalyst poisoning. But again, that requires it getting to the catalyst in the first place.
 
2019 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon 3.6L V6 (60K Miles)

OCI = 5,000 miles (3 months)


Out:
Valvoline Extended Protection 5W-30 SP + FRAM Ultra XG11665


In:
Valvoline Extended Protection 5W-30 SP + FRAM Ultra XG11665
 
2014 Buick Verano T
85300 miles, 6100 miles OCI
19% left on oil monitor
Out: M1 10w40 HM, Fram Ultra filter
In: M1 5w40 Euro FS, Fram Ultra filter
Oil sample taken.

Getting very hard to find M1 5w40 FS. Didn't want to use 10w40 HM again, as I am skeptical it can stand up to the fuel dilution. No 5-qt jugs of 5w40 FS available at Walmart, so had to buy individual quarts, which added about $14 to the oil change.
Try ordering at walmart.com usually available most of the time I look and free shipping just order 2 5qts.
 
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