I think that oil might sell if it made it into over the counter distribution. Right now it seems the only way to buy it is via mail order and it does get expensive that way...quote:
Originally posted by buster:
Yeah thats a good point. Their are those that buy $30,000 vehicles but complain about spending $5qt on oil. Go figure.Look at M1R too. I though that oil would sell a lot. I guess I though wrong.
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The local Mobil Distributor was selling that oil aplenty around here guessing near any local Mobil marketer/distributor can order it if not already in stock .
$36.00 a six pack
$36.00 a six pack
That's a good price IMO. Looks like I should try to chase down a local distributor before I buy any more...
Buster,
guess what?
The January edition of Amsoil 'Action News'
has an article 'from the President's desk',
Mr. Al Amatuzio talks about a rumor he heard that one of the major oil companies is coming out with a 'Long Drain' oil, and writes about how Amsoil has been selling 'Long Drain' oil for over 25 years... thought you would like to know
Hi George,
I have already been doing 15,000 mile OCI's with Mobil One 5w30 with TLC's Toyota Landcruisers, 1987 (250,000 miles),91(95,000 miles),94(120,000 miles),96 (61,000 miles),97(56,000 miles) (app 582,000 miles). I have also done OCI's of 15,000 with a (68,000 mile) Corvette Z06.
With Delvac One 5w40 aka Mobil One Truck & Suv, I am doing 15,000 to 20,000 OCI's (48,000 miles).
When the meager warranty period is up on a 2004 Honda Civic, I will go to a min of 10,000 to 20,000 miles with Mobil One 0w20.
So given your above quote, what will be the new OCI recommendations? i.e., as in my circumstances? (i.e., does a 36-37 % more active formula translate to say UP TO (putting a safety factor here) 36-37% longer than 15,000 miles or 20,000 miles?)
Part of the thinking here that drives my questions is: because the "older and old versions of Mobil One have done so well, for so long, with 15,000 mile OCI's, I really do not see 15,000 as "EXTENDED". They are for me: NORMAL.
Thank you.
[ January 21, 2005, 01:28 PM: Message edited by: ruking77 ]
I haven't read this whole thread so if this is redundant I apologize...but why would you market an oil targeted (apparently) to European style OCIs and then make it in grades and with ACEA ratings that don't correspond to what I perceive as a lot of Euro requirments AND especially when you have a 229.3 and 229.5 (long OCI) oils already?
pscholte, this is an interesting question and lately I've been trying to understand how important the HT/HS number is. It was said in anothet thread that an A1 oil must protect as well as an ACEA A3 rated oil.
The whole viscosity/HT/HS spec is not as black and white as one might think. I'm not sure how relevant it is to long drain oils. Mobil 1 5w-20 was originally made for 25,000 mile drains.
[ January 22, 2005, 01:42 PM: Message edited by: buster ]
buster,
Thanks for the thought-provoking response. Maybe because I don't live in Europe and undestand the intentions of A1,A5 and A3, I place too much emphasis on A3. I do feel a lot more comfortable with higher (than 3.5) HT/HS numbers, however (in terms of protection, engine cleanliness and oil "longevity.")
Here is a good thread on HT/HS
http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=21;t=000045;p=1
I apologize too if this has already been covered but what is the difference between the new oils and the 0W 40 and the Saab Turbo 0W 30 which is also Mobil 1. These oils already have GM LL spec that allow them to go up to 18,000 miles.
So is M1 just taking the additive pkge. from those oils and putting it in the new oils.
Also, I was wondering the nwe oils will have the GM LL spec along with the MB and BMW long life spec?
Thanks!
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An A1-rated oil CANNOT, under all driving conditions, sufficiently protect an engine that requires A3-rated oil.
No, it's pretty much black and white. If a car maker stipulates a minimum HTHS requirement, you are well-adivised to use the proper oil.
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It's black and white for any particular engine. And if you care to read what I said it's clear that's what I said to begin with. Your previous generalizing statement of HTHS being not important is misleading as it seems to imply that HTHS does not matter regardless of the engine in question. So thanks, for finally agreeing with me.
Optimizing oil viscosity for a particular application is the most critical factor in controlling engine wear, period. For example, if viscosity is significantly too low, bearing wear will go through the roof. As just one example,when I ran 5w-20 instead of 5w-30 in my Tacoma, bearing wear increased by 500%!
Preventing valvetrain wear is a combination of the correct viscosity and a robust additive package. So that situation is somewhat more complex.
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Preventing valvetrain wear is a combination of the correct viscosity and a robust additive package. So that situation is somewhat more complex.
Tooslick
Dixie Synthetics
I am excited and I will tell you why! We might very well end up with an oil that exceeds Redline,NEO,Motul,Synergen etc......THe best part is it should be available at Walmart and AutoZone at a reasonable price! I like M1 but have always wanted a better HTHS in each weight and a beefier additive package with enhanced solvency! We are going to be getting that! I could less about API!
Well if Mobil comes out swinging with a better synthetic oil, might force other vendors in new formulations. Better oil for the consumer to chose from especially from a market leader like Mobil.
I see the trend as a whole. Great move for Mobil and others will follow better or worse!!!
I see the trend as a whole. Great move for Mobil and others will follow better or worse!!!
Let me take a stab at what I believe Buster is saying.quote:
Originally posted by moribundman:
It's black and white for any particular engine. And if you care to read what I said it's clear that's what I said to begin with. Your previous generalizing statement of HTHS being not important is misleading as it seems to imply that HTHS does not matter regardless of the engine in question. So thanks, for finally agreeing with me.
For a given engine a manufacturer may specify an oil with a minimum HTHS and other minimum characteristics.
It's possible that a comparison of two oils, one with the "correct" HTHS and one with an HTHS that is below the manufacturers minimum will show that the oil with the lesser viscosity actually works better because it's superior in other ways Better base oils, better additive packages, etc. are all factors that will effect how well an oil works in a given situation.
So yes, the HTHS minimum is a "black and white" issue if you accept that it's based on an oil that only meets minimums in other specific areas.
[ January 22, 2005, 08:15 PM: Message edited by: jsharp ]
Just food for thought, Castrol's LL oil SLX-II is a special low HT/HS product for their Flexible Service Interval-equipped vehicles (roller rockers, start-up algorythum, clarity monitor, etc). Is it possible that a thicker true LL/XD cannot be formulated?
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