New Extended Drain Interval Mobil Oils
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I don't understand this part. First, I thought GF-4/SM specifically limits the amount of Zinc and Phosphorus. If Mobil 1 Extended performance has "boosted levels of anti-wear additives" I would think that would be the reason it is not API certified. Also, assuming the above quote is truly correct, why can't it meet Fuel Economy standards? I don't understand why it can't meet the Fuel Economy standard...Can anyone elaborate?
Finally....My car is still under warranty, and so I've been sticking to the manufacturer's severe service interval of 5,000 miles. Would Mobil 1 extended performance be of benefit over the "standard" Mobil 1 with this short of a change interval? I can't wait to see a VOA on this new Extended Performance Mobil 1....
Now all that's left is for Exxon/Mobil to buy out Amsoil & be done with it.
Remember when M1 first came out is was a 25,000 maybe 24,000 mile or 1 year oil with a 05w/20 viscosity.
my understanding is that specs have not been released on these oils. we may well see higher HT/HS numbers with these oils.
What do people think of the warranty:
Mobil 1 Extended Performance Motor Oil Limited 15,000 Mile or 1 year Warranty
My impression is that a lot could be open to interpretation. But this could be quite useful if someone had an expensive engine -- especially a turbocharged engine -- and might justify the price of the oil even if one didn't want to follow the 15,000 mile change interval.
Stephen
Mobil 1 Extended Performance Motor Oil Limited 15,000 Mile or 1 year Warranty
My impression is that a lot could be open to interpretation. But this could be quite useful if someone had an expensive engine -- especially a turbocharged engine -- and might justify the price of the oil even if one didn't want to follow the 15,000 mile change interval.
Stephen
Next time you’re driving uphill, against a 25 mph headwind, with the air conditioner on, & the tires 8 psi low on pressure, give me a call on your cell phone and we can discuss the relevancy of a motor oil demonstrating a 1-2 % fuel economy increase in the Sequence VIB fuel economy test to achieve the API starburst rating.
Sorry, no offense intended, it’s just my naturally sarcastic nature coming to the surface!
I wonder how much of the origional 5 litres will be in your engine after 15K of use in the average car. I'm guessing between 0 and 1?
Steve
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I have always run dino oil in my Nissan QR25DE (Altima 2.5 liter) 7,000-8,000 miles, with no noticeable consumption. I would speculate it would lose very little oil in 15,000 miles. Mobil emphasizes checking the oil level in the marketing materials for the oil.
IF you buy it in the 5 Qt. jug it is $23 at Walmart. IF you buy the Old M1 it is $18 for 5Qt. jug. You are getting 50% more of the "Super SYN" base stock and 30%-50% more additives. I think the price per value level is greater on the M1 EP then the older M1 Super Syn!
You guys must have much busier Walmarts than we do. The SL 5qt jugs are $22+ at ours, as are the SM/GF-4 jugs. They just got the latter in. No EP oils yet.
If the SM drops to $18 and the EP is $23 they're both pretty good deals in my opinion...
The more I think about this, the less rational it is for Mobil to continue with two different Mobil-1 formulations priced relatively close together. The consumer does *NOT* look for the silly starburst. Contrary to what everyone in the motor oil business seems to think, not 1 in 1000 customers notices or cares whether or not the starburst is there.
Before reading BITOG I was completely unaware of the starburst and I am pretty well informed when it comes to most things automotive. I have never seen an article or advertisement in any of the car magazines about this little nuance. Who outside of the very specialized world of lubrication experts/nuts has a clue about it? Who outside of insiders cares about a 1-2% fuel economy improvement in some SAE test sequence?
Mobil should just announce New and Improved Extended Drain Mobil-1 and be done with it. Let the old Mobil-1 go away.
The motor oil marketing situation is really spun out of control with each company trying to come up with a half dozen different product lines of gasoline engine motor oils, each in a range of viscosity grades.
No wonder AutoZone, WalMart and others are kicking some slow sellers off the shelf. I guess that must really be Mobil's game ... kick some of the competition right off the shelf.
John
Before reading BITOG I was completely unaware of the starburst and I am pretty well informed when it comes to most things automotive. I have never seen an article or advertisement in any of the car magazines about this little nuance. Who outside of the very specialized world of lubrication experts/nuts has a clue about it? Who outside of insiders cares about a 1-2% fuel economy improvement in some SAE test sequence?
Mobil should just announce New and Improved Extended Drain Mobil-1 and be done with it. Let the old Mobil-1 go away.
The motor oil marketing situation is really spun out of control with each company trying to come up with a half dozen different product lines of gasoline engine motor oils, each in a range of viscosity grades.
No wonder AutoZone, WalMart and others are kicking some slow sellers off the shelf. I guess that must really be Mobil's game ... kick some of the competition right off the shelf.
John
I agree. I'll put on my flame suit but, I think the M1 SS did need a little work to be a real extended drain oil in the 30 wts. 0W-40 was an exception.
My result were indicating that M1 SS might need a little help from LC to be able to go the distance. Maybe this is solved??
Anyway at $23 it's a steal if it'll do it.
Now that we've seen the VOA of the Mobil 1 EP oil, what do you guys' think? Still think it's a bargain? Molekule has been a fan of high calcium and boron. This oil has 232ppm of Boron 3,300ppm Ca and a TBN of 13. 5qts @ $23.82 sounds like a deal to me. Price oil should continue to go up, as the demands become greater and new additives are being used in place of ZDDP, which is cheap from what everyone says.
[ February 03, 2005, 07:12 PM: Message edited by: buster ]
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The new M1 looks interesting, and I think it'll show better wear numbers than regular M1. If it truly is 11cst, then it should show better wear numbers for those engines which like a slightly thicker 30wt too. I just wonder if it'll arrive in Canada anytime soon? I still don't plan on switching from GC though, but it would be nice to see it up here nonetheless.
Yeah I'd stick with GC if I were you. That is as close to a perfect oil as I've seen. For the LS1, the 10w-30 or 10w-40 especially, would work well IMO. Can't forget about the 0w-40 either.
The GF-4 spec makes it difficult if not impossible probably to make a long drain oil. Might be too costly right now. Amsoil will most likely do something similar to what Mobil did and make a GF-4 line (like the XL line they have) and then keep a line with higher additization.
The GF-4 spec makes it difficult if not impossible probably to make a long drain oil. Might be too costly right now. Amsoil will most likely do something similar to what Mobil did and make a GF-4 line (like the XL line they have) and then keep a line with higher additization.
jthorner - Before reading BITOG I was completely unaware of the starburst and I am pretty well informed when it comes to most things automotive. I have never seen an article or advertisement in any of the car magazines about this little nuance. Who outside of the very specialized world of lubrication experts/nuts has a clue about it? Who outside of insiders cares about a 1-2% fuel economy improvement in some SAE test sequence?
I saw the starburst referencs in the Consumer Reports Magazine and it was in Popular Mechanics too I think.
I saw the starburst referencs in the Consumer Reports Magazine and it was in Popular Mechanics too I think.
That starburst is also in every owners manual of all cars and lite trucks except for a few European makers.
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