New Extended Drain Interval Mobil Oils
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It's the ExxonMobil trademark for their proprietary anti-wear package of additives, base stock, and blend stocks.
You won't find any further explanation of it from ExxonMobil, although you can deduce at least part of it from elemental analysis of Mobil 1 formulae.
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Seems like the visc range is targeted at good 'ol USA Consumers, 10w-30??? I'm saying this is an Americanized version of what we guys already expect out of current Euro LL-spec "0w" oils. The "0w" designations seem to scare away the domestic consumer, these weights and the 15,000 mile declaration is probally meant to ease consumers into the idea of long drain intervals. I assume they will carry the specs to back it up. My guess is most users will do 5000 miles, BitOG guys will go 7500 miles, max. I'm wondering why the gap from 10cSt to 14cSt or am I supposed to keep blending my own 30/40 12cSt oil?
I think one of the biggest myths/mistakes or whatever you want to call it on BITOG is this idea that you have to have an oil that is 12cSt. I think it started bc of the LS1. I would rather have a very well formulated 10-11 cSt oil any day bc you will get more HP and a cooler running engine most likely. I wouldn't mind Mobil making a 11.5 cSt 30wt oil for those that need it, but with the 0w-40 and now 10w-40 EP oil, I don't know if it's necessary.
*Check out the MSDS of the Mobil 1 5w-30. It says 11cSt now.
Buster, I just read through the Mobil 1 5w-30 MSDS and only the the Mobil 1 5w-30 GM was 11 cst. All the other Mobil 1 5w-30's were 10 cst. Is that a misprint or do they blend a special brew for GM.
I'm not sure, but the entire Mobil 1 line up is being changed I was told. We will have to wait and see how they market them and what exactly changes. With the additive package changes Mobil is making to their oils, I am very much looking forward to using them. From the racing oil, API oils to their Extended Performance, they will have everything anyone needs at the retail level. Doesn't get much better then that.
[ January 15, 2005, 07:17 PM: Message edited by: buster ]
[ January 15, 2005, 07:17 PM: Message edited by: buster ]
So, in what respects are the new oils *worse* than regular M1?
Oil design being an art of compromise, the new oils are unlikely to be better in *every* way. Right?
Thanks for the information.
Ya, I don't understand the universal 15k idea. My 7 qt sump is one thing - 15k OCIs are no big deal to me, with practically any synthetic (so much buffering capacity there). But 3-4 qt sumps are another altogether. Wouldn't the TBN of this ED oil have to start out really high, and resist change throughout the OCI?
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Patman
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3MP needs to get some of this oil for the next phase of his test!!
Re: TBN of the extended drain oils and the "need for higher initial TBN"... Since acid neutralization is not a significant issue with gasoline engines, TBN retention is thus not a limiter...
George Morrison, STLE CLS
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I think this is excellent news and long overdue!
I'm glad to finally see another major oil company promote the idea of extended drain interval synthetic lubes. It only helps to validate everything I've been telling folks for the past 25 years. Since synlubes only have about 5% of the market right now, there is certainly room for growth.
Of course the same folks who are clamoring for this stuff will be the first to complain if it's more than $5.00/qt, or they can't get it on sale at Walmart...
FWIW, if these AW additive levels are correct, you'll have too much ZDDP to get an API license. Not that I ever cared about that ...
Tooslick
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I'm glad to finally see another major oil company promote the idea of extended drain interval synthetic lubes. It only helps to validate everything I've been telling folks for the past 25 years. Since synlubes only have about 5% of the market right now, there is certainly room for growth.
Of course the same folks who are clamoring for this stuff will be the first to complain if it's more than $5.00/qt, or they can't get it on sale at Walmart...
FWIW, if these AW additive levels are correct, you'll have too much ZDDP to get an API license. Not that I ever cared about that ...
Tooslick
www.lubedealer.com/Dixie_Synthetics
30 years ago or so Mobil promoted 25,000 mile oil changes.
The oil has always been capable of it *if* everything else was right.
The two problems are (1) automobile manufacturer warranties and (2) inattentive owners who can't or won't identify the signs that there's something wrong and a repair is needed.
Mobil/MobilExxon has run numerous long-mileage trials of various Mobil 1 formulae with excellent results over the last three decades.
Respectfully, can you explain that point in more detail. Many of us have read differently. If it's true, then why does an oil start at, say 10, and drop to 1 at the end of its extended service interval (say 15-20k miles). Why do Amsoil oils start at high TBN and fall only modestly at the end of an extended service interval?
Cheers.
[ January 17, 2005, 08:19 PM: Message edited by: dilettante ]
THATS AWESOME THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY ADVERTISING THAT THEY CAN EXTEND INTERVALS NOW. I AM INTERESTED IN GOING 6000 OR 6MONTHS IN MY RANGER AND MAZDA MPV. THE ONLY THING I HAVE IN QUESTION IS: I HAVE LEFT OVER SUPERTECH OIL FILTERS AND THEY WORKING FINE IN WITH THE 3000 MILE CHANGE INTERVALS AND NOW I WANT TO USE THEM IN THE SYNTHETIC INTERVALS AT THE EXTENDED RATE. HOW WOULD THE SUPERTECH'S HOLD UP? I WANT TO USE THE PURE ONE FILTERS BUT HATE TO THROW THE SUPERTECH FILTERS OUT THE WINDOW YOU KNOW.
AND WHEN WILL MOBIL 1 START USING ILSAC GF-4 RATED OILS?? THEY PROBABLY ALREADY DO BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET??
AND WHEN WILL MOBIL 1 START USING ILSAC GF-4 RATED OILS?? THEY PROBABLY ALREADY DO BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET??
Yeah thats a good point. Their are those that buy $30,000 vehicles but complain about spending $5qt on oil. Go figure.
If you go to Walmart the latest 5qt jugs have a new look to them and state GF-4 rated.
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Yeah thats a good point. Their are those that buy $30,000 vehicles but complain about spending $5qt on oil. Go figure.Look at M1R too. I though that oil would sell a lot. I guess I though wrong.
If you go to Walmart the latest 5qt jugs have a new look to them and state GF-4 rated.
The way I have expressed it is, folks will spend $2000 on a stereo system (I know I'm out of touch with the real cost) that sound really great but don't preserve the life of the car but think it is too expensive to do 3000 mile, $35 synthetic oil and filter changes (I know we can extend those now) which do preserve the life of the car and don't hit the $2000 mark until the car has almost 200,000 miles
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