Is it yellow? Sounds like the one a guy near me bought and its ***** as **** (crappy automatic as well).quote:
Originally posted by JohnnyO:
On the subject of "not getting it" btw, a local Ford dealer had a new Focus on the lot with bodykit, wing, wheels, stickers, exhaust, intake, etc. It was there forever. I looked at it one day and saw that it was an automatic.
Somewhere in the dealer's office is a fat old white guy saying "Humph, last time we get a car for the kids. They don't know what's good."
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You realize that stock dodge neons are running 14.0s nowadays?
I don't think the kids like FWD POS cars as much as they did around the turn of the Milennium. While before you had to have a honda hatchback with an integra motor, Nowadays it seems like people want RWD POS Japanese cars like the RWD '86 Corolla and the not-really-a-pos 240SX so that they can participate in sideways burnout contests called drifiting.
The other trend is definately towards the AWD turbocharged cars, the Subaru WRX and STi, the Mitubishi Lancer. That element has always been there with the older Mitsubishis, the Eclipse and such, but it's definately exploded as the cars that were previously limited to videogames over here are released.
[ May 20, 2004, 09:38 AM: Message edited by: Neonmike22 ]
That Neon dosen't actually say Neon anywhere on the car, even though it really is one (SRT-4). And actually some of them are running under 14s!
Best bang-for-the-buck today IMHO.
Best bang-for-the-buck today IMHO.
I'm too old to be a ricer fan and too young for the muscle cars of the 60's and 70's. So my drug of choice has always been and always will be big lifted off road giants. My 83 3/4 ton started life as an old plow truck. I swapped in a rebuilt (by myself) full floating rear axle, Dana 60 front end, 350 TH tranny and a warmed over 454. Popped in a 6 inch lift and some 35 inch BFGs. Did all my own work which, as I look back at what I did ten years ago, was not all that good. But the truck looked awesome and ran pretty good. My father (a 50 year old ex-hot rodder) scoffed at my truck with "ridiculous tires" and a "step ladder lift". But it was cool to me.
Ricers really do have their place. Its a trend in backyard motorsports that will continue. Just like the way the light duty diesels have taken off in the aftermarket lately. In the future I bet we'll see hybrids and alternative fuel cars with crazy mods. Some functional and some just plain stupid to us.
Can you imagine one of these ricers 30 or 40 years from now bragging to his kids about the size of the wing he had on his 98 civic?
Ricers really do have their place. Its a trend in backyard motorsports that will continue. Just like the way the light duty diesels have taken off in the aftermarket lately. In the future I bet we'll see hybrids and alternative fuel cars with crazy mods. Some functional and some just plain stupid to us.
Can you imagine one of these ricers 30 or 40 years from now bragging to his kids about the size of the wing he had on his 98 civic?
Alot of old school domestics guys **** all over imports because they have only four or six cylinders. Alot of new import guys **** all over domestics cause they have eight cylinders and some still make less power than the fours. But anybody that doesnt respect the old school muscle cars of back in the day as well as the new turbo 4 cylinder cars of today are just IGNORANT
The reason so many people hate the ricers is because it is STUPID to start with a cheap economy car if you're trying to make something fast. You start out with a BIG disadvantage. Why do you think all the race cars (Nascar, cart, etc) use V8s? If you start out with a stock V8 and a stock 4 banger, and spend the same amount of money modifying them, the V8 will be faster, every time. Period. Also the V8 will be lower revving and naturally aspirated, and will last much longer because of it.
Anyway...that's not why ricers get such a bad rap. Its because most of them have a really crappy attitude, and know nothing about cars. (For example, wings on FWD
) They all think there cars are the fastest, when they are far from it, and they all make god awful noise and look like s**t.
[ May 21, 2004, 02:41 AM: Message edited by: ZmOz ]
Anyway...that's not why ricers get such a bad rap. Its because most of them have a really crappy attitude, and know nothing about cars. (For example, wings on FWD
[ May 21, 2004, 02:41 AM: Message edited by: ZmOz ]
Personally, I think some people look down on the foriegn econo-cars for exactly the reason Zmoz stated, you're putting yourself at a big disadvantage to begin with. Besides this, these cars were mostly intended for economy, not speed. There are exceptions to this, of course, like the Celica or RSX-S, but Civics, Neons, Cavaliers, Corollas, etc are all econo boxes. The old muscle cars of the '60s and '70s, plus the Mustang, Camaro, Firebird, Corvette, etc are already built for speed. Modifying them can give you a real monster, which is what guys like.
Given that, however, the majority of modded econo cars I've seen have been done poorly. They put some AWFUL looking wings and body kits on the cars, as opposed to some of the more tasteful changes you see from the professionals on TV. In addition, the loud mufflers sound awful. It's not a nice throaty rumble that a V8 would produce, it's noisy and annoying and doesn't sound nice most of the time.
I do think it's possible to do this right, however, and I've seen some really well done vehicles. But those are the ones that have had some real thought put into them and are designed by people who know what they're doing. If everyone that modded their cars put half as much thought into them beforehand, I think there would be a lot less ill will from the older folks.
Given that, however, the majority of modded econo cars I've seen have been done poorly. They put some AWFUL looking wings and body kits on the cars, as opposed to some of the more tasteful changes you see from the professionals on TV. In addition, the loud mufflers sound awful. It's not a nice throaty rumble that a V8 would produce, it's noisy and annoying and doesn't sound nice most of the time.
I do think it's possible to do this right, however, and I've seen some really well done vehicles. But those are the ones that have had some real thought put into them and are designed by people who know what they're doing. If everyone that modded their cars put half as much thought into them beforehand, I think there would be a lot less ill will from the older folks.
I'll agree with RH+G on the fact that there are some guys out there who can do amazing things with the Honda engines. There is some real talent out there and techological advancements that were spurred on by the rice crowd. So the creations that take work and ingenuity I really respect.
The majority that I see on the streeet is way different. Most of the time I see rusty Accords, Civics and Corrolas with Walmart hub caps, bald tires, faded paint, ripped worn interior, big **** can muffler with smoke pouring out and a huge aluiminum wing. Like they stole it off of a 727.
The majority that I see on the streeet is way different. Most of the time I see rusty Accords, Civics and Corrolas with Walmart hub caps, bald tires, faded paint, ripped worn interior, big **** can muffler with smoke pouring out and a huge aluiminum wing. Like they stole it off of a 727.
A 6 cylinder mustang or camaro isn't bad insurance wise. Certainly alot faster stock than a Honda, with alot more potential. **** , even my stock 6 cylinder TRUCK is faster than most MODIFIED hondas!quote:
Originally posted by MikeR:
Lots of kids drive cheap fwd cars because that's all they can afford to insure. Most 16 year old males CAN NOT afford the premium on a Z28 or a Mustang.
So Baby Boomers, think about all the parking-lot brodies you did and the speeding tickets you got in the ol' Camaro when you pull up next to that kid in a Focus at a stoplight.
Then apologize to him, because you ruined it for everyone.
M
Yeah I always wondered why you would want to start out with a 130hp 4 banger and then put a lot of $$$ into it to try to make it fast! "I just droped 3+ grand into my Civic and now my beast dynos 190hp!!!!!"
Well if you put that $3,000 as a down payment on a Camaro or Mustang you could have started out at 300+hp and have a much nicer, more powerfull car right off the bat with TONS more potential!
Rice is for eating not racing! Long live American musscle!
Rice is for eating not racing! Long live American musscle!
Lots of kids drive cheap fwd cars because that's all they can afford to insure. Most 16 year old males CAN NOT afford the premium on a Z28 or a Mustang.
So Baby Boomers, think about all the parking-lot brodies you did and the speeding tickets you got in the ol' Camaro when you pull up next to that kid in a Focus at a stoplight.
Then apologize to him, because you ruined it for everyone.
M
[ May 21, 2004, 12:33 PM: Message edited by: MikeR ]
So Baby Boomers, think about all the parking-lot brodies you did and the speeding tickets you got in the ol' Camaro when you pull up next to that kid in a Focus at a stoplight.
Then apologize to him, because you ruined it for everyone.
M
[ May 21, 2004, 12:33 PM: Message edited by: MikeR ]
I see a lot ricers here in Southern California especially where I live in Irvine. Many Asians and their ricers here. I am a student at the University of California, Irvine (UCI), but I nicknamed it Univeristy of Civics and Integras. "Ricer" is rather a racist term, but it's an adjective to a car so the racism is not really intended. I am not offended myself. I was born in Japan, I am half American, half Japanese. I personally love Japanese cars, but ricers are just comical. They spend so much money on an entry-level car and make it look crappy many times. Some of the spoilers are so high, the cars look like shopping carts. Lowered cars are just pathetic. 45 degree approach to get over a speed bump is just dumb. But don't doubt the serious ones, I've seen Honda Civics NUKE a Corvette very easily. But, I must admit, most are "wanna-be" ricers. And trust me, the Nissan Skyline GT-R does live up to it's legend.
Alot of people think that because you start with a V8 means you will be faster than a 4 cylinder Civic. I have seen turboed civics eat blown mustangs because the guy in the civic was better at what he did than the guy in the mustang. Total cost about the same if not cheaper for the Honda. Regardless of the car it is the person doing the car. Not the NAWS
There's no way in **** a turbo civic is going to eat a blown V8. Not unless you've got the turbo turned high the engine will last for 4 minutes. And even then...unlikely. I don't disagree that 4 bangers can be fast, however, when comparing apples to apples - that is, the same modifications - a 4 banger will NEVER be faster. Not gonna happen.
When it comes to driver vs driver, the ricer will usually loose too, because usually they have alot more attitude than sense.
[ May 22, 2004, 02:23 AM: Message edited by: ZmOz ]
Maybe you should go to more races between turbo 4 cycls vs. super-charged V8s. I've seen +600hp 4 cycls before. And remember, 4 cycls are lighter in weight, esp. with all the carbon fiber mods that ricers have.
There are fast FWD japanese cars. They usually aren't the ones that went through the ugly store with a magnet on though. My buddy with a 2002 T/A Firehawk couldn't pull ahead of a totally stock looking Nissan Maxima that he thought he was racing as a joke one time. He talked to the guy at the next light and the guy said it had a turbo.
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