IPhone to Android

[JTK]

Android has three times the market share of Apple.

800 million monthly users are using RCS worldwide. That number is expected to surpass 1 billion by the end of 2023.

RCS is the standard that has evolved from SMS/MMS.

I've seen those numbers before and it seems astonishing to me.

I would guess that 9 out of 10 people I know use iphones. My company (global) only uses iphones as company phones. Same with anyone I know with a company phone.

I like iphone products. My first few smart phones were apple products and I liked them. They just priced me right out of the market. I've been using droids for around 8yrs now. I like my <$200 motos just fine.

 

[Skippy722]

That last part was necessary.

I'm assuming you took that as bashing. It's just true. I don't know what was pro Apple in it from what I read. It's also not a negative comment about Samsung as far as I can tell.

Exactly. It’s cool tech, Samsung should have just been honest about it up front.

 

[BornSlippy]

I've seen those numbers before and it seems astonishing to me.

I would guess that 9 out of 10 people I know use iphones. My company (global) only uses iphones as company phones. Same with anyone I know with a company phone.

I like iphone products. My first few smart phones were apple products and I liked them. They just priced me right out of the market. I've been using droids for around 8yrs now. I like my

As someone else posted, in North America and I would presume most of Europe is dominated by Apple. Many people on the planet can't afford $1500 for a new phone every couple years.

 

[brianl703]

I would guess that 9 out of 10 people I know use iphones. My company (global) only uses iphones as company phones. Same with anyone I know with a company phone.

10 years ago, the majority of the phones using the free wi-fi at the city facilities (every city building -- PD, FD, city hall, public works, rec center -- had free wi-fi) where I worked were Android. No idea what it is today, I've since moved on to a different job.

 

[Torrid]

Exactly. It’s cool tech, Samsung should have just been honest about it up front.

I think they were but no one understood what they meant by AI engine tech that wasn’t in the software/electronics industry. I don’t get the impression that they tried to hide it.

 

[Torrid]

As someone else posted, in North America and I would presume most of Europe is dominated by Apple. Many people on the planet can't afford $1500 for a new phone every couple years.

They aren’t that expensive. I even have upgraded memory with my 14 Pro Max to 256gb and it was $1200. You can get there with more memory, but there’s an iPhone for every price bracket. My company issues iPhone SEs for managers. I do have a company iPad. It’s easier integration for them to have mostly Apple products. Android is more universal, but its diversified approach can be a negative to a corporation. If and possibly when I would go Android again I’d likely only consider the Pixel since it is the most Apple approach to Android though I’m a huge fan of Samsung’s offerings.

 

[Jimmy_Russells]

They aren’t that expensive. I even have upgraded memory with my 14 Pro Max to 256gb and it was $1200. You can get there with more memory, but there’s an iPhone for every price bracket. My company issues iPhone SEs for managers. I do have a company iPad. It’s easier integration for them to have mostly Apple products. Android is more universal, but its diversified approach can be a negative to a corporation. If and possibly when I would go Android again I’d likely only consider the Pixel since it is the most Apple approach to Android though I’m a huge fan of Samsung’s offerings.

Not to mention nobody ever mentions resale. Sure you can spend $1200 but in two years, assuming you haven't beaten it up, it's still worth $800 or more. It's probably cheaper to keep buying and flipping top end iPhones every two years than buying a disposable Android phone every two years.

 

[KrisZ]

From talking to some cyber security and IT people at my company, Apple is not easy to integrate and patch security issues. Just having Intel vs M1 vs M2 apparently causes nightmares, then the have to deal with Apple itself.
And top people pushing for Apple devices have absolutely no idea how it all works, they just want the iPhone experience. Most guys I talk to say that if it were up to them, there would be no apple products, all machines would be windows.

 

[Torrid]

Not to mention nobody ever mentions resale. Sure you can spend $1200 but in two years, assuming you haven't beaten it up, it's still worth $800 or more. It's probably cheaper to keep buying and flipping top end iPhones every two years than buying a disposable Android phone every two years.

This is true. I've never had much to show after any Android. iPhone sales even on 3 year old devices are pretty good. I've sold many iPhones. Any Android I sold left me very little after covering shipping.

It's probably worth mentioning if I used this $1200 phone for 2 years I also get credits on my account for buying it that make the phone equivalent to $400. I plan to use it for 3 years which is typical for me on iPhones and at the end of that I'll be able to sell it for at least $400. When you consider all of this it does making iPhone the best value. Everyone likes to bring up initial cost, but Samsung's flagships tend to have the highest prices, but they do discount sooner where iPhones tend to stick to their prices until a new model is released. I think it comes out in the wash on initial investment with new purchases, but the sales market is dramatically different.

I do think I bought at the best time for new phones. My after 2 year cost for 4 phones(2 Samsung and 2 iPhones) is equivalent to my $1200 iPhone purchase. I do wonder if deals will return to that eventually, but there are good deals around at different times that make it worth replacing devices.

 

[IveBeenRued]

Exactly. It’s cool tech, Samsung should have just been honest about it up front.

Yup. Samsung also “enhances” nighttime photos of Mount Rushmore and other famous landmarks. We just did a road trip and a nighttime shot of Mount Rushmore came out great using Samsung’s scene enhancer function; significantly better than what my iPhone could do at night. That said, the rest of the 4,000 daytime photos from the trip were taken on an iPhone 13 Pro because the iPhone simply takes more aesthetically pleasing photographs.

 

[alarmguy]

As someone else posted, in North America and I would presume most of Europe is dominated by Apple. Many people on the planet can't afford $1500 for a new phone every couple years.

What phone cost $1500?
Are you talking about Samsung?
iPhones are as little as $599

 

[BornSlippy]

What phone cost $1500?
Are you talking about Samsung?
iPhones are as little as $599

Sorry. That's Canadian Pesos. iPhone 12 with 64GB is $849 in Canada.

 

[Torrid]

What phone cost $1500?
Are you talking about Samsung?
iPhones are as little as $599

It takes getting a iPhone 14 Pro Max with 1TB of storage to get to $1599. 512GB is $1399.

 

[bunnspecial]

This is true. I've never had much to show after any Android. iPhone sales even on 3 year old devices are pretty good. I've sold many iPhones. Any Android I sold left me very little after covering shipping.

It's probably worth mentioning if I used this $1200 phone for 2 years I also get credits on my account for buying it that make the phone equivalent to $400. I plan to use it for 3 years which is typical for me on iPhones and at the end of that I'll be able to sell it for at least $400. When you consider all of this it does making iPhone the best value. Everyone likes to bring up initial cost, but Samsung's flagships tend to have the highest prices, but they do discount sooner where iPhones tend to stick to their prices until a new model is released. I think it comes out in the wash on initial investment with new purchases, but the sales market is dramatically different.

I do think I bought at the best time for new phones. My after 2 year cost for 4 phones(2 Samsung and 2 iPhones) is equivalent to my $1200 iPhone purchase. I do wonder if deals will return to that eventually, but there are good deals around at different times that make it worth replacing devices.

Not sure if this is the case everywhere, but Verizon regularly offers my wife and I both $800 trade-in credits on our old iPhones provided they're not too old and reasonably functional. Of course there are some strings attached to it(generally a 2 year commitment) but the offer is there.

What that means is that ever 2-3 years, I can go in and generally spend about $50 to get the current standard model iPhone with upgraded storage. I could conceivably walk out not paying anything if I decide standard storage is fine(it honestly probably is now for me).

I've had my iPhone 12 for 2 years now, so when the iPhone 15 comes out I may see what they're offering. I have no compelling reason to upgrade but usually after 2 years I'm starting to see enough loss in battery life to be noticeable. There's no reason I can't continue using mine another year or two, but if they're offering a deal like that it's hard to pass it up.

 

[Torrid]

Not sure if this is the case everywhere, but Verizon regularly offers my wife and I both $800 trade-in credits on our old iPhones provided they're not too old and reasonably functional. Of course there are some strings attached to it(generally a 2 year commitment) but the offer is there.

What that means is that ever 2-3 years, I can go in and generally spend about $50 to get the current standard model iPhone with upgraded storage. I could conceivably walk out not paying anything if I decide standard storage is fine(it honestly probably is now for me).

I've had my iPhone 12 for 2 years now, so when the iPhone 15 comes out I may see what they're offering. I have no compelling reason to upgrade but usually after 2 years I'm starting to see enough loss in battery life to be noticeable. There's no reason I can't continue using mine another year or two, but if they're offering a deal like that it's hard to pass it up.

This was with Verizon, but without trade ins. Otherwise with trade ins yes this would be normal.

 

[350Rocket]

LOL. Literally nobody cares about RCS except Google. Apple has Messages, Meta Facebook has their chat apps, WhatsApp and Messenger. Users who don't want to particpate in their data hoovering machine have the option of Signal, Telegram, and others. Asian users rely on LINE, WeChat, etc. There is no shortage of cross-platform messaging methods, with modern features, security, and at no upfront cost.

The carriers came up with RCS in 2008, to replace SMS, but allowed it to languish for at least a decade, and even they don't really care about it.

Google, having killed one messaging effort after another, adopted RCS as the basis for their "one, true, final, really, this is it" messaging service in 2019, their ninth attempt. The carriers then pretended to care, and started CCMI to promote it, but killed that effort in 2021 after realizing the harsh truth that they lost they messaging war a long time ago, and since there was no money to be made, there was no point. The days of fleecing users per text message were long gone.

E2E was never integral, or even a requirement for RCS, and Google only added it, to their own app, for 1:1 chats in 2021. Encrypted group chats didn't become a thing until the end of last year.

And because it's a carrier standard, it relies on the paradigm of user IDs centered on phone numbers, singular devices (your phone), when people have moved onto other portable forms of ID that don't have the albatross of carrier strings, as well as multiple devices long ago.

Nothing wrong with a NOS Crown Vic, customized with all mod cons, and an EV powertrain retrofit, but it's not going to appeal to the broader audience.

Google's PR campaign reeks of desperation, and the only people it might convince has merit are technophobe regulators who might try to force it as some sort of standard. But the market (users) spoke, everyone else moved on long ago, so there is nothing to "fix."

It's become more evident than ever that Google is a three-trick pony -- Search, Maps, and Gmail, that feed its real business, advertising. And wtih one of those pillars being seriously threatened by the new AI-based tools, it rushed out Bard, in a less than flattering manner. Otherwise, their wall is mostly white, and very slick, with the adjacent floor space littered with carcasses.

Having a dominant position is a good thing, but it's also an easy path to lost focus, and complacency. Ask Intel.

When I go to give out my phone number to a site super of one of our clients, it's a phone number, not Facebook, not WhatsApp. So personally I do care about RCS. It was sometimes unreliable the first little while but now that it's been out for a couple it seems very reliable and it makes my life easier.

They aren’t that expensive. I even have upgraded memory with my 14 Pro Max to 256gb and it was $1200. You can get there with more memory, but there’s an iPhone for every price bracket. My company issues iPhone SEs for managers. I do have a company iPad. It’s easier integration for them to have mostly Apple products. Android is more universal, but its diversified approach can be a negative to a corporation. If and possibly when I would go Android again I’d likely only consider the Pixel since it is the most Apple approach to Android though I’m a huge fan of Samsung’s offerings.

These 2 things (attached screenshot) are the biggest reason I'm sticking with android, I guess besides that I just really don't like the layout of iOS. My LG v60 is 3 years old and still works like new. I can expand it by 1tb if I want in addition to the 128gb internal.
Everyone has their preferences and their reasons for it but it's a shame so many features have been taken away from high end phones. Many of them because apple did it first.
I would get a Sony as my next phone if they weren't so crazy expensive.

 

[Torrid]

When I go to give out my phone number to a site super of one of our clients, it's a phone number, not Facebook, not WhatsApp. So personally I do care about RCS. It was sometimes unreliable the first little while but now that it's been out for a couple it seems very reliable and it makes my life easier.

These 2 things (attached screenshot) are the biggest reason I'm sticking with android, I guess besides that I just really don't like the layout of iOS. My LG v60 is 3 years old and still works like new. I can expand it by 1tb if I want in addition to the 128gb internal.
Everyone has their preferences and their reasons for it but it's a shame so many features have been taken away from high end phones. Many of them because apple did it first.
I would get a Sony as my next phone if they weren't so crazy expensive.

That's exactly my point. I don't see a reason to switch unless you're at the point of needing a new phone. If it works fine there's really no point in buying a new phone and the actual operational usage of the phone is not really that different, unless you're talking the most expensive phones and camera performance it important, which then again closes the gap.

They're both good. I love my wife's Samsung S22+ and my youngest has the iPhone 13 mini. They're all too good to judge if performance is the metric. I would bet that the average person that has a smart phone that any laptop or desktop they happen to own is probably less powerful than the phone in their pocket. The race to improve the phone has basically made it so they actually last longer because they have more headroom until they run out of memory than they used to and we're not using the complete capability of them with standard use. It may be the only level of technology that has outrun our level of usage.

 

[alarmguy]

As someone else posted, in North America and I would presume most of Europe is dominated by Apple. Many people on the planet can't afford $1500 for a new phone every couple years.

What phone cost $1500?
Are you talking about Samsung?
iPhones are as little as $599

Sorry. That's Canadian Pesos. iPhone 12 with 64GB is $849 in Canada.

Ahhh .. I’ll never figure out the currency up there! Looking at that $849 Canadian Pesos throws me for a loop!

My point was anyone can buy an IPhone for less money by getting an older model direct brand new from Apple and still come complete with the Apple warranty ect
I’ll go out on a limb and say buying a $599 USD new Apple IPhone 12 is still a superior choice to anything else unless of course one prefers the Android platform then it’s pointless.

Out of 28 years of computing starting with Windows 95 and with my first cell phone in 2002 I never a desire for Apple products. I thought they were overpriced.

About 5 years ago (guessing on time frame) I bought my first Apple product, an iPhone XR, so happy with it the rest is history….
About 3 years ago I entered Apple world exclusively with now an iPhone 13, Apple Watch, MacBook Air and Mac mini

I’ll never go back to Android and most likely never go back to Microsoft. It was a shame that they couldn’t get the Windows phone to sell (yes I had one and it was awesome for it’s time) Microsoft to me was a Jack of all trades operating system and became too much bloat for what I wanted and why Apple works well for me.

So back to my point in US currency!
iPhone 12 $599
https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-12

 

[350Rocket]

That's exactly my point. I don't see a reason to switch unless you're at the point of needing a new phone. If it works fine there's really no point in buying a new phone and the actual operational usage of the phone is not really that different, unless you're talking the most expensive phones and camera performance it important, which then again closes the gap.

They're both good. I love my wife's Samsung S22+ and my youngest has the iPhone 13 mini. They're all too good to judge if performance is the metric. I would bet that the average person that has a smart phone that any laptop or desktop they happen to own is probably less powerful than the phone in their pocket. The race to improve the phone has basically made it so they actually last longer because they have more headroom until they run out of memory than they used to and we're not using the complete capability of them with standard use. It may be the only level of technology that has outrun our level of usage.

Very true. My OnePlus 5 is 6 years old and has basically no lag or stutters in normal usage. It was one of the first phones to have 8gb of ran. The performance doesn't drop off for a long time, like it used to, on either android or iPhone.
There are plenty of reasons to like one or the other. As someone who comes here because I like to be able to fix things myself and make them last, that's the main reason apple is out. These are not disposable devices anymore (based on cost).

 

[tblt44]

I just can't navigate an iPhone, wife and kids have them
Been using a samsung galaxy models for a long time.
My current is a 2 1/2 year old galaxy 20