IPhone to Android

[KrisZ]

Apple is great and super easy to use, especially if you're pre-millenial.
Here is my recent example.

FIL has an iphone 14. He wanted me to setup an app for him. I see a red bubble on the settings app, so I check it out. Says the phone is not backed up. I check the iCloud settings and its turned on but there is no backups. This phone is close to one year old now, but never backed up.

I try to manually make a backup and get an error that there is not enough iCloud storage. I then proceed to turn off all apps that are using iCloud, still not enough storage to make a backup. I guess they really want to sell that extra iCloud storage.

So easy, so intuitive

 

[Revving2Redline]

I kinda got stuck with Android when I bought my Sony 4K as it's on the same platform. Mom is retired, but isn't the most savvy and wanted a simple to operate phone. I only wanted a Apple when Rush Limbaugh was alive as he gave them away on open line Friday.

 

[350Rocket]

Phones (Android, Apple, whatever) generally don't break, they all "just work" and anything decent is waterproof and can go into a swimming pool these days. The most common thing I see are broken screens. The iPhone was so fragile at one point that almost everyone I saw had a shattered front screen or back.

I replaced my wife's iPhone 6s screen 3 times, I had to repair an iPhone 5 I bought years ago. I know several examples of phones having issues and the older they get the higher risk of failure. I have a 6 year old android phone as my speedometer and it's holding up good so far but it's a roll of the dice. Especially if used in extreme heat cycles like in and out of a vehicle.

 

[alarmguy]

Apple is great and super easy to use, especially if you're pre-millenial.
Here is my recent example.

FIL has an iphone 14. He wanted me to setup an app for him. I see a red bubble on the settings app, so I check it out. Says the phone is not backed up. I check the iCloud settings and its turned on but there is no backups. This phone is close to one year old now, but never backed up.

I try to manually make a backup and get an error that there is not enough iCloud storage. I then proceed to turn off all apps that are using iCloud, still not enough storage to make a backup. I guess they really want to sell that extra iCloud storage.

So easy, so intuitive

Your father in law somehow made a mistake in how his phone is set up. His/your experience with it, there is something wrong and a phone call to Apple tech support being you are under warranty will straighten it out at no cost..

 

[alarmguy]

Add $200 to that cost for the coming i15, so they say

They say wrong and hearing a media report you can bookmark my post and when the new iPhones come out confirm what I said.

Apple is not raising the price of a $799 iPhone 20% to $999 when the new iPhone 15 comes out. It's just common sense. The media got you, so don't believe what they say, yet as I posted if concerned about price you will be able to buy an iPhone 13 for $600 when the 15 comes out.

 

[CanAmAndMore]

I've gone back and forth a few times myself over the years.
Decided that android is my preferred phone.
Bought a Samsung S10 about 4 years ago, and it still works perfectly.

 

[willbur]

They say wrong and hearing a media report you can bookmark my post and when the new iPhones come out confirm what I said.

Apple is not raising the price of a $799 iPhone 20% to $999 when the new iPhone 15 comes out. It's just common sense. The media got you, so don't believe what they say, yet as I posted if concerned about price you will be able to buy an iPhone 13 for $600 when the 15 comes out.

Thank you-Dont want an "old" iphone. Have one LOL. The mid level 15 supposedly will have better battery life and screen. The "beginner" low tier 15 will not. Story was in one of those latest apple news/tech/whats coming sites.
Mid level equipment is usually the sweet spot- has most of the top line features for disportionately lower cost. IMO

 

[KrisZ]

Your father in law somehow made a mistake in how his phone is set up. His/your experience with it, there is something wrong and a phone call to Apple tech support being you are under warranty will straighten it out at no cost..

I’m quite experienced with iOS thanks to my wife, as I’m the one fixing her iPhone issues, and I finally figured it out. Turns out there was a backup there, but it was 0 MBs so I didn’t pay attention to it. That backup had everything turned on and showed over 13GBs for the next backup. I guess it was overwriting my choices, which is quite a bizarre behavior. I deleted it and the backup worked.
I highly doubt an average user would figure it out.

But they all keep saying an iPhone is easier to use.

 

[alarmguy]

I’m quite experienced with iOS thanks to my wife, as I’m the one fixing her iPhone issues, and I finally figured it out. Turns out there was a backup there, but it was 0 MBs so I didn’t pay attention to it. That backup had everything turned on and showed over 13GBs for the next backup. I guess it was overwriting my choices, which is quite a bizarre behavior. I deleted it and the backup worked.
I highly doubt an average user would figure it out.

But they all keep saying an iPhone is easier to use.

Im not saying you're not experienced but your experience isnt typical. I mean something has to be right when Apple products outsell any other model cell phone on the market by 100s of a percent. If it was troublesome it wold be all over the media.

U.S.: smartphone models market share 2024 | Statista

As of January 2023, Apple’s iPhone 15 Pro Max was the most popular smartphone model sold in the United States, accounting for almost 18 percent of total smartphone sales.

www.statista.com

 

[GMFan]

The iPhone 13 starts at $699.

I’m still on a nearly 4 yr old iPhone 11 without problem.

 

[KrisZ]

Im not saying you're not experienced but your experience isnt typical. I mean something has to be right when Apple products outsell any other model cell phone on the market by 100s of a percent. If it was troublesome it wold be all over the media.

That’s like making an argument for thin oils because the streets aren’t littered with broken cars.

I would say it’s probably quite typical and people simply don’t even realize they have no backup.

There is a lady on YouTube that makes a living retrieving photos from broken iPhones. That’s all she does and she is very good at it. And there are many others.
If iCloud backup worked as it should, there wouldn’t be people specializing in retrieving pictures from iPhones.

 

[alarmguy]

That’s like making an argument for thin oils because the streets aren’t littered with broken cars.

I would say it’s probably quite typical and people simply don’t even realize they have no backup.

There is a lady on YouTube that makes a living retrieving photos from broken iPhones. That’s all she does and she is very good at it. And there are many others.
If iCloud backup worked as it should, there wouldn’t be people specializing in retrieving pictures from iPhones.

That goes for any device with any operating system for people that need help operating those systems

 

[alarmguy]

That goes for any device with any operating system for people that need help operating those systems

Of course servicing Apple phones is a key to success in the cell phone industry simply because Apple phones compromise over 50% of the market so you only have to learn one system and one lineup of phones

Android devices contain over 1/2 dozen of different manufacturers and dozens of models from those manufacturers, many of which are throwaway models that they won’t repair

 

[csandste]

Never had any Apple products. Running a cheap two year old Moto G Fast. Haven't used Windows since switching to Ubuntu Mate shortly after retiring more than a decade ago. Fumble around with my girlfriends Windows 11 laptop. Know it's my brain closing down on learning new things since I'm pushing 80. Have a 91 year old friend whose kids gave him a hand-down small screen I-Phone a couple of years ago. He is a huge under user, was using his phone to count down from 100 to 1 and that was about it. Based on the neurologist's comments in "Still Alice", that Julienne Moore could get another six months of reduced mental decline by becoming conversent with a smart phone I strongly urged him to get up to speed with this important technology. Too old to learn the fine points of I-Phonery just to help him, though. His kids should be helping him. I set up a Roku box to get him some variety in TV (although he still pays for cable, and until last month, a newspaper), he has trouble using it and watches old Perry Mason reruns on one of the local station side channels. We are who we are, but I'm determined to keep up--sort of--with technology, just not learning a lot of parallel, duplicative systems. My daughters in-laws have smart phones but throw them in a bowl by the front door and talk too each other with walkie talkies. Think that rules out calling other family members or 911 if they fall, so you can be a danger to yourself and others by being technology resistant.

I find Android easier than Apple and Ubuntu-Mate easier than Win11 (you don't have to use control-alternate del to shut them off? It's been that long.) but know that is subjectively ME, and not any objective measure.

 

[bunnspecial]

That’s like making an argument for thin oils because the streets aren’t littered with broken cars.

I would say it’s probably quite typical and people simply don’t even realize they have no backup.

There is a lady on YouTube that makes a living retrieving photos from broken iPhones. That’s all she does and she is very good at it. And there are many others.
If iCloud backup worked as it should, there wouldn’t be people specializing in retrieving pictures from iPhones.

I bought my first iPhone in 2010 and my first Mac in 2012. I've talked about this on here before, but I've become something of an Apple collector and have...well...quite a collection of Macs ranging back to an all original/non-upgraded "Macintosh"(128K RAM) from April 1984(that's not an easy one to find-128K is pretty limiting and there were both Apple official and aftermarket paths to 512K of RAM or even to turn them into a Macintosh Plus) along with nearly every model of "G" era PowerPC Mac, a bunch of other PowerPC and 68K stuff, and even now some interesting stuff from the early Intel era.

I'm not AS sharp on iOS, but feel like I know my way around decently. Macs I know fairly well.

One of the things I always say about Apple stuff is "It just works, until it doesn't." Sometimes the reasons why not can be completely baffling, and at other times too when something breaks it REALLY breaks.

My parents both have iPhones and iPads, and with my mom in particular sometimes I'm just at a loss as to how things break the way they do on her phone.

As a bit of an example-we got tired of texting baby pictures to my parents every day so set up a shared album that we could add pictures to. My wife sets the album up and sends out invites to both my parents. We try and try, and they can't seem to get them to work. Finally, I'm able to get my mom's phone in my hands and it took me an hour to get this shared album working. I don't really even remember what all was wrong, but it was things she'd disabled plus the fact that it was my dad's old phone and somehow or another parts of it were signed into his icloud account and parts into her icloud account. I think I ended up just starting clean on it and it finally worked. My dad's was simpler-somehow or another(he probably did it and didn't realize what he was doing) he'd turned off shared photo albums...

Would Android have been any easier to fix? I don't know but I'm just at a loss as to how my mom's phone was even set up the way it was. I didn't know that it was possible to do things the way she did.

Also, I think part of both of their issue is that my dad has all but killed cellular data to keep their bill low(they have some comical amount-like 500mb a month) and I think he got aggressive with turning things off to try and stop data useage...

 

[csandste]

I bought my first iPhone in 2010 and my first Mac in 2012. I've talked about this on here before, but I've become something of an Apple collector and have...well...quite a collection of Macs ranging back to an all original/non-upgraded "Macintosh"(128K RAM) from April 1984(that's not an easy one to find-128K is pretty limiting and there were both Apple official and aftermarket paths to 512K of RAM or even to turn them into a Macintosh Plus) along with nearly every model of "G" era PowerPC Mac, a bunch of other PowerPC and 68K stuff, and even now some interesting stuff from the early Intel era.

I'm not AS sharp on iOS, but feel like I know my way around decently. Macs I know fairly well.

One of the things I always say about Apple stuff is "It just works, until it doesn't." Sometimes the reasons why not can be completely baffling, and at other times too when something breaks it REALLY breaks.

My parents both have iPhones and iPads, and with my mom in particular sometimes I'm just at a loss as to how things break the way they do on her phone.

As a bit of an example-we got tired of texting baby pictures to my parents every day so set up a shared album that we could add pictures to. My wife sets the album up and sends out invites to both my parents. We try and try, and they can't seem to get them to work. Finally, I'm able to get my mom's phone in my hands and it took me an hour to get this shared album working. I don't really even remember what all was wrong, but it was things she'd disabled plus the fact that it was my dad's old phone and somehow or another parts of it were signed into his icloud account and parts into her icloud account. I think I ended up just starting clean on it and it finally worked. My dad's was simpler-somehow or another(he probably did it and didn't realize what he was doing) he'd turned off shared photo albums...

Would Android have been any easier to fix? I don't know but I'm just at a loss as to how my mom's phone was even set up the way it was. I didn't know that it was possible to do things the way she did.

Also, I think part of both of their issue is that my dad has all but killed cellular data to keep their bill low(they have some comical amount-like 500mb a month) and I think he got aggressive with turning things off to try and stop data useage...

Does your dad realize how cheap data is? I pay $20 a month for 15 gigs with Mint. Of course that's a once a year payment so if I drop dead in November, I'll be out $220. Note to self, die in October.

 

[bunnspecial]

Does your dad realize how cheap data is? I pay $20 a month for 15 gigs with Mint. Of course that's a once a year payment so if I drop dead in November, I'll be out $220. Note to self, die in October.

I don't know nor do I begin to know what their cell plan is now.

I stuck around on theirs for a while after college, paying my chunk of it every month including unlimited data. My wife was doing the same with her parents. Shortly after my wife and I got married, though, my dad went on his "the phone bill is too high" rampage and dropped to 2gb, which I pretty much will use just from background services on my phone.

That made my wife and I both switch to Verizon, where we have unlimited data and the price is actually quite reasonable for 2 lines. AT&T at least then also charged extra for using your phone as a hotspot, and Verizon does not(although I found out this month, thanks to issues with Spectrum/Charter at home, that apparently they cap hotspots at 250gb per line).

Whatever the case, I think my dad is just thoroughly convinced that they don't "need" any data at all, and truth be told considering that half the time he doesn't even carry his phone with him when he leaves the house, he's probably not far from correct.

I guess it works for them, but I'll continue with my unlimited, thank you.

 

[alarmguy]

Thank you-Dont want an "old" iphone. Have one LOL. The mid level 15 supposedly will have better battery life and screen. The "beginner" low tier 15 will not. Story was in one of those latest apple news/tech/whats coming sites.
Mid level equipment is usually the sweet spot- has most of the top line features for disportionately lower cost. IMO

Your posting on speculation, no matter what model IPHONE that you get it will be just as good.
There is no "mid-level" in iPhone, they all are top of the line phones with features that blow away most any phone of any price. But of course we all buy what makes us feel good yet you seem to be complaining about price. Nothing will beat even what you call low level iPhone ... (there is no such thing)

BTW - I just posted this thread, from as you may describe "beginner low tier" Im not sure you even know that that means, what is beginner about a iPhone with built in satellite SOS, something no Android has at any price, they will soon now that they are copying but one thing for sure, as you call it, the inexpensive" "low tier" iPhone has it and it will always work, its not a toy =

ANOTHER proven iPhone lifesaving feature for the newest iPhone 14

I have posted many posts and threads in this forum on how my iPhone 13 FDA APPROVED ECG function greatly helped speed up and diagnose rapidly increasing PVC episodes as well as more serious other episode with my heart. Intervention early prevented it morphing into more serious VTACH and also...

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[KrisZ]

The cult of apple has no limits it seems.
Sure, it's a cool tech, but to call it apple's philosophy? Their philosophy is to make money, lots and lots of it.

When Steve Wozniak and Jobs parted ways, it was mainly because Jobs wanted to focus on making even more money, not the product itself.

Some of the stuff people say about Apple and Jobs are borderline religious fanaticism these days.

Also, they will scan your photo album for "inappropriate" kiddie photos/videos. How that is defined is anyone's guess. So next time you take your grandkids to a beach, pool etc, it may trigger their algorithm. It's all for your own good of course.

 

[alarmguy]

The cult of apple has no limits it seems.
Sure, it's a cool tech, but to call it apple's philosophy? Their philosophy is to make money, lots and lots of it.

When Steve Wozniak and Jobs parted ways, it was mainly because Jobs wanted to focus on making even more money, not the product itself.

Some of the stuff people say about Apple and Jobs are borderline religious fanaticism these days.

Also, they will scan your photo album for "inappropriate" kiddie photos/videos. How that is defined is anyone's guess. So next time you take your grandkids to a beach, pool etc, it may trigger their algorithm. It's all for your own good of course.

Your posts humor me ... I'm glad the google system is good for you ...
You dont believe in companies making money?
I guess you dont like any well know phone brands like Samsung? I guess you hate Google too?

Enough said, your perception of the world I cant have a discussion with you. Maybe you need to research what google does to protect against child porn too ... and the EU who is considering scanning your text messages as well... Ok, like I said, I cant have a discussion with you and its all good... deny the good that Apple products do... maybe sometime soon your google, Samsung devices will saves lives too with Android systems or do they make too much money too?

So just ignore the good and bash a company for making money? I dont know but I love the USA and no one is entitled to tell me how much money I can make and that includes the investors, Roth, 401k's invested in technology who's lives and retirement plans are enhanced so lets make them all go broke too?

this in one month stated by emergency services in CA and dont listen to the survivors either ... maybe soon Android will have it copied... and will be dicey on how well it works as well as full of security holes which you seem concerned about ...

ANOTHER proven iPhone lifesaving feature for the newest iPhone 14

I have posted many posts and threads in this forum on how my iPhone 13 FDA APPROVED ECG function greatly helped speed up and diagnose rapidly increasing PVC episodes as well as more serious other episode with my heart. Intervention early prevented it morphing into more serious VTACH and also...

bobistheoilguy.com