If thin oils are bad then Toyota is stupid?

[Analog-1]

That's a rather pessimistic take.

No it's a fact.

 

[burbguy82]

2025 Camry uses 0W-8. Given Camry's legendary longevity in the past, don't you think this new Camry will also make it to 400,000 miles easy? Toyota is not stupid, they are onto something, no?

new jeeps suck

 

[Torrid]

No it's a fact.

That's called an opinion.

 

[Torrid]

Then you missed and entire decade-plus discussion about CAFE oils. There is a TON of evidence that mfg's went to CAFE oils, with the intention of not thinning them down too much as to cause warranty issues. Many of the same mfg's also state thicker oils can be used for heavy duty-performance-towing type applications. Same mfg's have also speced thicker oils all over the globe...except the USA.

The problem is that we don't have the research. I'd also be inclined to prefer thicker oils, but it's an opinion. I haven't done any scientific research on oil to definitively say that 0w8 is a bad idea. Even saying that I use Mobil 1 0w40 on everything. I've used it in 5w20 Fords. My current GTI is the only car that I own that Mobil 1 0w40 carries the certification for and I've used the oil for 20 years.

My lawn equipment ends up with 10w30 PYB, so I can't say M1 0w40 in everything for full transparency.

 

[Jeep Junkie]

new jeeps suck

Is that relevant to the topic here?

 

[02zx9r rev2]

2025 Camry uses 0W-8. Given Camry's legendary longevity in the past, don't you think this new Camry will also make it to 400,000 miles easy? Toyota is not stupid, they are onto something, no?

Let me guess, 2500 oil change intervals and 25K mile coolant changes on this one as well?

 

[gfh77665]

The problem is that we don't have the research. I'd also be inclined to prefer thicker oils, but it's an opinion.

Many mfg's did all the research necessary. Thats exactly why these mfg's recommended it for their performance cars, etc.

 

[camrydriver111]

Then you missed and entire decade-plus discussion about CAFE oils. There is a TON of evidence that mfg's went to CAFE oils, with the intention of not thinning them down too much as to cause warranty issues. Many of the same mfg's also state thicker oils can be used for heavy duty-performance-towing type applications. Same mfg's have also speced thicker oils all over the globe...except the USA. But feel free to wilfully ignore it all if you like.

It's because in the USA they just want to get past the warranty period.

In the rest of the world they want the car to last.

 

[gfh77665]

Exactly!

 

[Jeep Junkie]

It's because in the USA they just want to get past the warranty period.

In the rest of the world they want the car to last.

Warranties exist in other parts of the world too

 

[02zx9r rev2]

I got played like a second hand guitar in several of his threads already…..

OP makes certain comments that shows he is knowledgeable about the things he is asking about. It’s either a past or current member making these silly posts and everyone is falling for it

 

[kschachn]

Then you missed and entire decade-plus discussion about CAFE oils. There is a TON of evidence that mfg's went to CAFE oils, with the intention of not thinning them down too much as to cause warranty issues. Many of the same mfg's also state thicker oils can be used for heavy duty-performance-towing type applications. Same mfg's have also speced thicker oils all over the globe...except the USA. But feel free to wilfully ignore it all if you like.

Yeah that’s the proof I was looking for.

You got me there.

 

[gfh77665]

That was not my intention, I just try to help people see the truth about all things of interest. Many things I do not comment on because I just don't know. Its a good discussion. Thanks my friend.

 

[Nesterenko]

One of my Uber drivers had a Prius with 485,000+ miles. Plenty of high mileage Ubers and taxis out there. Most NYC taxis are Camrys

You finally made a statement instead of asking a question, no?

 

[Plumb Bob]

OP is getting a good run out of his second thick-vs-thin thread.

Or his second coming...who knows.

 

[kschachn]

It's because in the USA they just want to get past the warranty period.

In the rest of the world they want the car to last.

Without a doubt. European vehicles are much more reliable.

 

[fdcg27]

Toyota is known for good if boring cars that last.
People don't buy Camrys for their entertaining driving.
They buy them for the lack of entertainment in the ownership experience.
Toyota already knows this and would not recommend a grade of oil that would imperil their rather agricultural engine going well past 200K with no issues.

 

[burbguy82]

Without a doubt. European vehicles are much more reliable.

where? in europe or here?

 

[tolian21]

Toyota already knows this and would not recommend a grade of oil that would imperil their rather agricultural engine going well past 200K with no issues.

Toyota once had a sludge in their engines with recommended 10k oil changes, they reverted them back to 5k. They are far from being perfect when they are making “recommendations”

 

[Kalle.J]

where? in europe or here?

Nowhere, it was sarcasm.
US has on average higher milage when comparing used cars.
Probably on average shorter OCI aswell.