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2025 Camry uses 0W-8. Given Camry's legendary longevity in the past, don't you think this new Camry will also make it to 400,000 miles easy? Toyota is not stupid, they are onto something, no?
If thin oils are bad then Toyota is stupid?
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The car will make it to end of warranty, that's all they care about.
I dunno, don't ask any Tundra owner who bought new in the last year or two.
How many drive to 400k anyhow? and despite legendary Toyota claims, even for the Camry, just what percentage of them were driven to 400k? As much of a fanboy that I am, I still think most anything past 300k (let alone 400k) is a corner case (unless if commercial duty, that's a different vehicle). If you're one who routinely does drive to 400k+, fine, I'll step back. But these things are designed for the masses, and if I say so, designed for those who trade very 5 years or so. That they make it to 10 years old on the second owner is about all the OEM cares about, IMO.
How many drive to 400k anyhow? and despite legendary Toyota claims, even for the Camry, just what percentage of them were driven to 400k? As much of a fanboy that I am, I still think most anything past 300k (let alone 400k) is a corner case (unless if commercial duty, that's a different vehicle). If you're one who routinely does drive to 400k+, fine, I'll step back. But these things are designed for the masses, and if I say so, designed for those who trade very 5 years or so. That they make it to 10 years old on the second owner is about all the OEM cares about, IMO.
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One of my Uber drivers had a Prius with 485,000+ miles. Plenty of high mileage Ubers and taxis out there. Most NYC taxis are Camrys
Wonder how many of those Camrys are using 0W-8 or 16 though? Probably a 20 or 30 weight is my guess.
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That's my question. Do you think Toyota is that short-sighted to destroy Camry's Legacy with a thin oil?
Well, if you are planning on being a cabbie (or Uber-er?) then you might be all set.
If so, I'd probably bump up to a nice thick 0W16 though, as I think the use case is outside the design case, and the concern is valid. After all, part of the problem is cold start, and for something running continuously, not an issue, the oil is always nice and thin.
Someone said it above already. It's about fuel economy. 0W-8/16 oils are still fairly new. I guess we will find out in a few more years. Toyota is confident they will get throught the warranty. A 0w-16 really isn't too different from a 0W-20 in reality.
There are plenty on YouTube of the new Gen 2.5L that are at 150K +
My guess is taxis and rental cars would have diff warranty and diff maintenance recommendations with likely different oil recommendations too.
They are also about to launch JASO GLV-2 oil standard in Japan (0W-16 and 0W20) that will likely replace GLV-1 (0W8 & 0W12) atleast outside US.
Found some night reading material regarding JASO GLV-2 (0w16 & 0w20)
Japanese going back up in film thickness again
https://jalos.or.jp/onfile/jaso_e-4-2.htm
https://jalos.or.jp/onfile/pdf/GEO_E2409.pdf
Share if you find something interesting.
This is what I found so far.
3.2.2 GLV-2 classification.
"Engine oil is an item that greatly contributes to reduction of CO2 emitted from internal combustion engines, and reducing viscosity is one of the effective means for such contribution. The JASO GLV-1 standard established in 2019 has become a low viscosity Automotive Gasoline...
Japanese going back up in film thickness again
https://jalos.or.jp/onfile/jaso_e-4-2.htm
https://jalos.or.jp/onfile/pdf/GEO_E2409.pdf
Share if you find something interesting.
This is what I found so far.
3.2.2 GLV-2 classification.
"Engine oil is an item that greatly contributes to reduction of CO2 emitted from internal combustion engines, and reducing viscosity is one of the effective means for such contribution. The JASO GLV-1 standard established in 2019 has become a low viscosity Automotive Gasoline...
sure thicker oil is safe. but is it necessary?
Are thin oils necessary?
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I think more additives in the thin oil do the trick.
In your short tenure here you're really covering the bases with oft-discussed past topics. Here you have your second "thick vs thin" question. It's almost as if you know what to post.
Except for the HybridMAX due to the 2.4L turbo on the Platinum trim
https://toyota-cms-media.s3.amazona...-Crown-Product-Information_FINAL_11302022.pdf
Wonder how the additive package will compare to TGMO 0w16 SP?
https://toyota-cms-media.s3.amazona...-Crown-Product-Information_FINAL_11302022.pdf
Wonder how the additive package will compare to TGMO 0w16 SP?
i tried looking up a 0w-8 forum but i guess the search function aint the best. The Yaris hybrid has been out for half a year but the owners manual has been up on the Toyota UK site for a while. i downloaded it a couple months ago to see if it was true and it is. the funny thing is that Toyota still recommends 4 grades up over there. So what do y'all think.
They could use -60 weight oil in those and it wouldn't have made a difference.
... and go another 200,000 miles easily with zero engine issues.
I can ask the same question about thinner oil.
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Lexus GX460 also had tons of issues early on. I think the new Tundra will recover from this bad start
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