If thin oils are bad then Toyota is stupid?
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edyvw
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European taxis regularly make million of km's or more on thicker oils. So, isn't that case for thicker oil?
Take into consideration that taxis have fewer start-ups, engines are on longer, allow evaporation of fuel, etc.
Probably be about 1 cSt at 100c.
Call me a pot and stir me.And there you have it. A "thicker" oil is not going to grenade the engine, not flow into "tighter tolerances," or in extreme cold. I'm just regurgitating nonsense I read here from time to time. It's also amusing when a new member, [the OP] knows exactly how to stir the pot here.
Right, when your car engine fails right after warranty, that will make you want to buy that brand of car again.
I guess car companies don't want repeat customers.
I remember years ago when a Ford F-150 I had used the 0W20 and I thought what the heck are they recommending this for? After using it for about 20 years or more in my F-150's I have had zero problems. Go with what the factory recommends. Will be using 0W16 in my new Toyota Rav 4 hybrid.
You're not a new member, or the OP.
They do the calculations. X % are allowed to fail after Y amount of miles. And no it's not right after the warranty.
Volvos Automatics with for life oil and long OCI is a great example.
It's very RARE that its the original owner experiences the effects of these service schedules.
Customer retention will not be affected.
MolaKule
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The Camery started in 1983 and is on its 9th generation. Very likely the Camery will discontinue in the next 5-10 years once and for all. All Toyota cares about is getting it past its warranty. Just like all the others.
For the thick vs thin debate, I tend to think it doesn’t matter. Realistically won’t even equate to one extra mile of longevity. Other factors matter infinitely more. That being said my next OCI I am bumping up to 30 from 20 just for fun to see my wear numbers not change.
Toyota went from the best chance of getting a great vehicle to almost the present day Ford quality.
I seen many many Honda's at my old dealer with 400.000 plus miles all ran 0w20 the entire time.
It's obviously different. I won't pretend to understand it. My only ICE vehicle calls for a spec that allows 5w30, 0w40, and 5w40. I run 0w40. I obviously won't put a 0w8 in it since it doesn't carry the spec, but I'm not going to do the stereotypical thing of calling it water and laughing at Toyota. I don't know the science.
There is zero evidence to support that view. In fact, the evidence shows the contrary.
People on here make that statement now and then, but like you they never have any evidence to support it.
Lets make no mistake. ALL car makers quality fell off a cliff since covid-19 and i doubt it will ever get much better any time soon.
That's a rather pessimistic take.
Hermann
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Necessary IMW would be to get me to 125K, although I have never gone that far with vehicle. Been to 80K a few times without issue, its the rest of the vehicle I get bored with.
The new 2025 Camry is something I may be interested in. But shazam, its been out 6 months now and few dealers have one to drive that I would consider and reserve one that will be in, 6 weeks later. I'll bet Toyota sells a lot of Camry's for a long long time. Over 300,000 sold in the US alone last year. Next to the RAV4 for the soccer moms and surprisingly golfers, it is their second best cash cow.
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Then you missed and entire decade-plus discussion about CAFE oils. There is a TON of evidence that mfg's went to CAFE oils, with the intention of not thinning them down too much as to cause warranty issues. Many of the same mfg's also state thicker oils can be used for heavy duty-performance-towing type applications. Same mfg's have also speced thicker oils all over the globe...except the USA. But feel free to wilfully ignore it all if you like.
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