Happiest Nations in the World

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
I think Gary doesn't mean outright poverty, but a lower standard of living - less disposable income etc.

Ask the average working stiff how much they made 20 years ago, and they'll tell you they make as much as they make today.


Opinions vary.

Gary says this is caused by economic growth!

 

[Tempest]

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Ask the average working stiff how much they made 20 years ago, and they'll tell you they make as much as they make today.

Strange how my income and most of the people that I know have had their income increase...

 

[Drew99GT]

Well, when economic growth explodes across all nations (not just the USA), particularly the developing world (ie, globalization), it's kind of inevitable. Globalization is synonymous with equalization in terms of wages and standards of living. The globalists want it that way!

 

[Drew99GT]

Originally Posted By: Tempest
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Ask the average working stiff how much they made 20 years ago, and they'll tell you they make as much as they make today.

Strange how my income and most of the people that I know have had their income increase...


Ask a construction worker or a truck driver!

 

[Gary Allan]

Originally Posted By: Tempest
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Ask the average working stiff how much they made 20 years ago, and they'll tell you they make as much as they make today.

Strange how my income and most of the people that I know have had their income increase...


Check your and their debt level too. How one can separate economic utility (buying power) while ignoring false economic purchasing power (debt) ..well, it's beyond me

On average, you are a POORER person than you were at any time in your life. This may or may not be evidenced in your lifestyle due to you (currently) being able to acquire more DEBT.

 

[Tempest]

Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: Tempest
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Ask the average working stiff how much they made 20 years ago, and they'll tell you they make as much as they make today.

Strange how my income and most of the people that I know have had their income increase...


Ask a construction worker or a truck driver!

What are they doing to improve their profit making potential? If you have more low skilled people (illegals) doing no/low skill jobs, then wages/profits will be reduced.

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: Gary Allan

So, it could easily be said that any attainment of wealth ..or distinction, depends more upon having losers much more than it does the composition of the losers themselves, right?


No.

At 50+ years old, Gary, you are going to have to come to the realization that because someone or some group is smarter or achieves more than one individual or group, - it doesn't make the less achievers losers for life. Because someone is good at something, they should not be thought of as evil nor should they be hated in some weird sense justice.

You can't really control human achievement without severe primary, secondary and tertiary effects. And only in Gary's mind does economic growth cause poverty.

Let me see. SBP grossed $2X,XXX, I made $3XXX with Amsoil , plus I took home $XXXX from my real job in April 2009. That's all because I'm tromping on the poor and because I'm a greedy [censored] in your eyes. How about the $XXXX I donated, and the $XXXX I paid in taxes?

Gary - you just make no sense, 90% of the time. The remaining 10% is full of [censored].

 

[Julian]

Why are you giving advice to someone you misunderstand 90% of?

 

[Tempest]

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And only in Gary's mind does economic growth cause poverty.

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: Julian
Why are you giving advice to someone you misunderstand 90% of?


Not giving an expert "advice" - just not letting him getting away with unfiltered spewage.

 

[Julian]

How thoughtful.

 

[Pablo]

Thanks.

And every thread I start off with:

"I will not argue with Gary Allan, I will not argue with Gary Allan, I will not argue with Gary Allan.......

 

[Gary Allan]

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At 50+ years old, Gary, you are going to have to come to the realization that because someone or some group is smarter or achieves more than one individual or group, - it doesn't make the less achievers losers for life. Because someone is good at something, they should not be thought of as evil nor should they be hated in some weird sense justice.


Sorry, Pabs. Wrong ticket. I don't envy anyone. There are many of my relatives, friends, and acquaintances that are of higher and lower station than I am. I begrudge them not one dime ..not one act, not one thrill that they experience. Nope. You have the wrong dude.


I hope you become as wealthy as you can. I hope that you reach whatever you define as greatness. One can only hope that one's humanity grows with one's affluence.

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You can't really control human achievement without severe primary, secondary and tertiary effects.


And we're experiencing them now.

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And only in Gary's mind does economic growth cause poverty.


Show me a quench without a purge (a couple of ways you can take this one)? Where has any growth not been followed by contraction and realignment of social divisions?

Call it a national recession with a technical correction indexed against global worth. I'm sure you're bright enough to figure it out.

We're down cycling our population. We're making more unneeded people. Why is it such brain surgery to figure this out? ..or at least express it??

You're currently needed ..or at least someone feels you have enough of a purpose to pay what you make.

Now let me, tomorrow, put you at par with everyone else on the planet that possess all of your knowledge and skill and grant them an honorary security clearance ..and you're dog meat.

Now just look at all the people that are dog meat and will be dog meat as a matter of equalization of their true net worth.

You don't want it to happen to you. Why should they accept it happening to them without a fight ..in terms of sacrificed lifestyle, that is?? What can they do to stop it ..without the sacrifice in lifestyle ..or what they currently have?? Nothing. It's built into the mechanism.

 

[dhise]

I found this really good video that explains some of the points on flat wages and increased debt to make up the difference.

vid

 

[Gary Allan]

Originally Posted By: dhise
I found this really good video that explains some of the points on flat wages and increased debt to make up the difference.

vid




An economics professor at my daughter's university turned me on to that video preview. It's pretty good. The guy does have some influences of Marx to him ..but that will automatically paint him as a commie pinko socialist. Naturally, even if the antithesis of his views is like pouring sulfuric acid over your friends and relatives, it's preferred for the "untainted" nature of the carnage.

 

[MarkC]

Kind of amusing how a thread about the happiest nations has devolved into the usual discussions about money and wealth vs. poverty.
Apparently being happy is supposed to depend a great deal upon how much money you have.

 

[Pablo]

Gary - I didn't exactly say you envy anyone, but you use that weird theme of hatred and wanting to kill the rich (you said it!!) and anyone who actually achieves in a way that doesn't fit your mold of "goodness". You basically say it in almost every thread of this style.

 

[Gary Allan]

Did I? I don't recall feeling that way. I dislike rigged games and those that rig them.


Let me ask you a question. One that may or may not require much thought (but I would hope that you've applied much thought to it at one time or another).

Is there any equation in the universe that doesn't ultimately balance?

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Did I? I don't recall feeling that way. I dislike rigged games and those that rig them.


And you repeat often, anyone who achieves must be a system rigger.

Originally Posted By: Gary Allan

Is there any equation in the universe that doesn't ultimately balance?


Define equation. 1+1=3. Doesn't balance.

A proper equation in the physical universe will "balance".

Spiritually, if you don't believe in a higher power there appears to be some level of imbalance. Personally I believe there will be balance in the end.

Economically growth does not cause poverty.

 

[Gary Allan]

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And you repeat often, anyone who achieves must be a system rigger.


Not at all. Where did you get this? I merely, in the case of Tempest, point out his worship and support for those who achieve at the expense of all others. I'm not here to serve anyone besides myself. I owe nothing to anyone (besides money) ..beyond simple human decency.

I'll die before I willfully kneel before a human. I'll never "know my place".

Easy to figure? I hope you're the same way.

Let's take something like a war enterprise, for example. If I'm asked to pay for the war enterprise, I believe that I'm fully entitled to my share of the spoils. Sound fair enough?

Those who get more than their fair share are rigging the system. They're profiteering at my expense. Easy enough to see? Is there any reason I should admire these who profiteer and take my ROI and make it their own? I hope you don't feel that they deserve more than what they put into it.

Now let's evolve this to the real view that all wars are economic and that one could engage in any enterprise in the effort to reduce assured losses and convert them into avoided and reduced losses. You with me? Good.

Now if I'm financing that "fall from grace" with my productivity (same as if I finance a war that I did not declare) ..am I not entitled (there's that entitlement mentality of someone who "invested") to have the losses distributed upon everyone based on their contribution to the losing enterprise??

So, as a citizen of a nation, who is forced to invest in losing enterprises, regardless of how he would manage his livelihood and economic vitality, why should I admire those who are going to make my position worse ..while profiting off of it and laying my station to waste?