Energy/Resource conserving oil not allowed? Why?

[dole]

Honda not allowing Energy/Resource conserving oil to be used on its scooters, e.g PCX and Forza 350. Don't know if it is the case for non-scooters.

Mobil AFE is Energy/Resourse consering. But I can't see any specs different from other oils, e.g EP/ESP...

Why? If I go ahead with AFE, does it damage the engine or what?

 

[kschachn]

Honda not allowing Energy/Resourse consering oil to be used on its scooters, e.g PCX and Forza 350. Don't know if it is the case for non-scooters.

Mobil AFE is Energy/Resourse consering. But I can't see any specs different from other oils, e.g EP/ESP...

Why? If I go ahead with AFE, does it damage the engine or what?

AFE and ESP have lots of different specs.

 

[Lockasiam]

energy conserving oils are bad for the wet clutch

 

[carviewsonic]

Honda not allowing Energy/Resourse consering oil to be used on its scooters, e.g PCX and Forza 350. Don't know if it is the case for non-scooters.

Mobil AFE is Energy/Resourse consering. But I can't see any specs different from other oils, e.g EP/ESP...

Why? If I go ahead with AFE, does it damage the engine or what?

Not sure if Honda scooters use a wet clutch, but this is common in motorcycles.
Honda not allowing Energy/Resourse conserving oil to be used on its scooters might be due to specific friction modifiers which could cause the wet clutch to slip.

 

[JoelB]

I've ridden 7500 miles on a couple PCX's over the years. I've almost exclusively used a 10w30 that is resource conserving. Don't worry about it for a second. Dry clutch means no worries here.

 

[Ausfahrt]

energy conserving oils are bad for the wet clutch

Yes, but consering oils are fine.

 

[The_Sheriff]

energy conserving oils are bad for the wet clutch

Scooters rarely have a wet clutch. The only one that has a wet clutch that I am aware of is the Piaggio BV350 and BV400.

 

[dole]

Scooters rarely have a wet clutch. The only one that has a wet clutch that I am aware of is the Piaggio BV350 and BV400.

And Honda X-ADV, FORZA750, which are scooter like, but not scooters.

 

[john_pifer]

Doesn’t resource-conserving also indicate thin and formulated for fuel economy?

Thin base stock with lots of viscosity modifying polymer in an attempt to save fuel?

 

[BusyLittleShop]

Why? If I go ahead with AFE, does it damage the engine or what?

Energy Conserving will not damage your engine because Energy Conserving is not
additive... its an API mileage test that this "oil MAY result is an overall saving of fuel
in the vehicle fleet as a whole" there is nothing in the oil to defeat a wet clutch...
I've been using EC oil since 98 in my Honda RC45 with no oil related problems...

 

[The_Sheriff]

And Honda X-ADV, FORZA750, which are scooter like, but not scooters.

Based on the NC750 with a dual clutch transmission.

 

[john_pifer]

Energy Conserving will not damage your engine because Energy Conserving is not
additive... its an API mileage test that this "oil MAY result is an overall saving of fuel
in the vehicle fleet as a whole" there is nothing in the oil to defeat a wet clutch...
I've been using EC oil since 98 in my Honda RC45 with no oil related problems...
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Jealous of that bike!!

 

[Overfill]

energy conserving oils are bad for the wet clutch

How is that?

 

[Lockasiam]

How is that?

Some of the additives may cause wet clutches to slip

 

[Overfill]

Some of the additives may cause wet clutches to slip

why "some"?
which ones?
So not all oils that fit API energy conserving?

 

[Lockasiam]

why "some"?
which ones?
So not all oils that fit API energy conserving?

Idk man that’s just what I’ve been told

I’m sure you could dump energy conserving oil in and be fine but that’s not what the manufacturer recommends doing as it could cause problems

 

[BusyLittleShop]

Idk man that’s just what I’ve been told

I’m sure you could dump energy conserving oil in and be fine but that’s not what the manufacturer recommends doing as it could cause problems

Mileage is chief factor that determines when your clutch is about to
slip not whether the oil is Energy Conserving...

Technically speaking there is nothing in EC oil that will defeat a wet clutch in good working
ordered... mileage not additives is the cause of our clutches to loose grip...

High mileage is the constant where all clutches begin to loose grip
due to normal glazing and contaminates that build up over use...

 

[Bonz]

I haven't seen an energy conserving additive identified by anyone in the industry. If it's not showing up on an analysis, then it's magic pixie dust and would someone, do tell, what that magic pixie dust would be. Energy conserving simply went to lighter weight oils in my opinion and that virtue alone contributed to fractionally increased gas mileage and it stuck.

 

[JunkdrawerDog]

Mileage is chief factor that determines when your clutch is about to
slip not whether the oil is Energy Conserving...

Technically speaking there is nothing in EC oil that will defeat a wet clutch in good working
ordered... mileage not additives is the cause of our clutches to loose grip...

High mileage is the constant where all clutches begin to loose grip
due to normal glazing and contaminates that build up over use...

This has been my experience as well. I've used EC oils in all manner of off-road and dualsport bikes without issue.

 

[Blagoje]

I haven't seen an energy conserving additive identified by anyone in the industry. If it's not showing up on an analysis, then it's magic pixie dust and would someone, do tell, what that magic pixie dust would be. Energy conserving simply went to lighter weight oils in my opinion and that virtue alone contributed to fractionally increased gas mileage and it stuck.

I have always been of the opinion that it has more to do with CAFE and environmentalist nonsense.