Determining the Proper Oil for Your Engine - Email from Lake Speed Jr

I call em like I see em.

If LSJR produces a vid with great info I praise it and post it, if it’s misleading or not sound I call it out.

If LSJR has something to say about oil, I'll listen. I might not agree, but I'll make up my own mind. If a gazillion other youtubers have something to say, I'm likely not interested.
 
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The Cu always trends down so I don't think it's mechanical wear but more of a chemical reaction. There are many that have well over 150k on HEMIs that used RL and never had a problem.
Yes, it's definitely chemical. The assumption was that it was from the oil cooler, but it could also be from a copper-based sealant or some other copper-containing component or compound.
 
LSJr's approach to wear metal accumulations are, well, misinformed at the very least.
He is, IMO, making good money off giving average-at-best advice.
He makes three very important mistakes in his approach:
- he combines wear metals to get a "total" per 1k miles; as if those metals can be lumped together to understand wear traits ... (SMH)
- he completely ignores the topics of macro and micro statistical analysis
- he completely ignores the topics of understanding process variation

UOAs are great tools, but they have to be understood as to what they are and are not good at. And more importantly, once you have the data, how to accurately and properly process that information.
A retired cop knows more about motor oil than LSjr????
 
If LSJR has something to say about oil, I'll listen. I might not agree, but I'll make up my own mind. If a gazillion other youtubers have something to say, I'm likely not interested.
Exactly. His latest video on surface texture and GM's recent issues is a great piece. I am sure there are "experts" here on this forum that will find something wrong with his analysis but it makes a lot of sense to my small mind.
 
Exactly. His latest video on surface texture and GM's recent issues is a great piece. I am sure there are "experts" here on this forum that will find something wrong with his analysis but it makes a lot of sense to my small mind.
It's just OK

That was my world for 30+ years. Pretty light.

Did he actually mention the actual SB and IS condition of the GM cranks? I may have missed that.
 
Lake has to make the information understandable for us newbies to oil and it's many layers of complexity. I appreciate his drumming down the process so I can understand these layers. If somehow that makes me enlightened, so be it. I just hate to see people spreading knowledge by people claiming even greater knowledge. Ironic, actually. I hate it when people play "see, I'm smarter.". I do agree criticism is part of good science but I see a lot of piling on, similar to my experiences in grade school. Live and let live. Take what one finds informative and let the rest go. Everyone is in a different place of understanding on every topic.
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Do you mean you appreciate his "dumbing" down the process so you can understand it?
 
Did he actually mention the actual SB and IS condition of the GM cranks? I may have missed that.
No, you didn't miss it. He only referenced the GM recall and possible issue with the crank finish long enough to use it as clickbait in his title.

I thought the video was interesting. The PhD did most of the talking (assuming he has a PhD since he was referred to as "doctor". It could just be his nickname).
 
A retired cop knows more about motor oil than LSjr????
To be fair, I understand that you don't have knowledge of my background. So allow me to enlighten you.

Like most who work in LE and similar (firefighters, etc), we often hold several jobs to supplement our income, develop secondary career paths, etc.

I worked in manufacturing for 32 years alongside my 25 years in LE. Right out of engineering school, I worked at the Ford steering-systems facility in Indy for 16 years (before they closed the plant), where I held several jobs including running maintenance programs for the building, powerhouse and waste treatment plant. I used oil analysis for many applications when it came to gearbox drives, conveyor systems, etc. I earned my boiler operation certification there, as well as my Class III universal refrigeration certification.

Further, after Ford, I worked at Carrier for 16 years. There, I ran the quality lab where I was in charge of all equipment validation and annual certifications. I ran statistical process quality control programs for some of the production lines. I wrote DFMEAs, PFMEAs and DOEs. I was trained and qualified in SixSigma and Shainin Red X root cause analysis.

And I also authored this:
https://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/30383/engines-oil-analysis


So, yes, this cop knows plenty about statistical analysis and I have a sound footing from which I criticize LSJr's approach to data analysis. He may know more about oil, but I assure you he is not displaying good knowledge of proper data analysis.
 
No, you didn't miss it. He only referenced the GM recall and possible issue with the crank finish long enough to use it as clickbait in his title.

I thought the video was interesting. The PhD did most of the talking (assuming he has a PhD since he was referred to as "doctor". It could just be his nickname).
See? Another sorta irritating thing, albeit minor, about the guy. He didn't have to do that, but he did for clicks. It's a money show. Speed doesn't know the drawing requirement, I bet.

It was interesting but the doc did not say all that much. I mean how about brushing Ra and Rrms? They just kept holding up those somewhat meaningless topo models.

But I guess this is all too negatory.
 
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Let’s say I do a number of UOAs that show I pretty consistently have 1.5ppm/1,000 miles of wear metals. Then I get a sample that’s much higher, say 4ppm, with one or two metals that stand out. This could indicate that something is amiss at the very least, if all other variables are equal.
2.5ppm is not “much higher” unless you have a loooooong service history and your standard deviation is much lower than 2.5ppm. That’s how statistics work.
 
I changed the oil at 494 miles to Amsoil Signature Series 0w-20 in the new Honda Pilot and sent UOA and VOA samples to Speediagnostix. I asked Lake if my plan to change it again after another 4k miles made sense, and whether I should increase the viscosity to 0w-30. This is his comprehensive reply, which he has given permission to post here. Based on his recommendation in Step 1, I should have continued using the OEM oil. Too late now, which he acknowledged.

"Regarding your plan, here’s the proper framework for determining the proper oil for your engine.

Step 1 - Utilize the OEM recommended oil and do two early oil changes during the break-in process (500 to 1,000 miles and again between 3,000 and 4,000 miles). It is ok that you switched to Amsoil Signature Series already. Just stick with it to establish the baseline.

Step 2 - Take used oil samples at each oil change to establish the trend analysis.

Step 3 - Go 5,000 miles on the third oil change and take a used oil sample. If the wear rate per 1,000 miles is below 5 ppm, you are good. If the wear rate is between 5 ppm and 10 ppm per 1,000 miles, go another 5,000 miles on the OEM recommended oil and resample. If the wear rate is still greater than 5 ppm per 1,000 miles, then move to step 4.

Step 4 - Since the OEM recommended oil and viscosity have not produced a wear rate per 1,000 miles lower than 5 ppm, go up to next viscosity grade in the OEM oil. Go 4,000 to 5,000 miles on that oil and then take another sample. See if the change in viscosity drops the wear rate per 1,000 miles below 5 ppm. If it does, you are good. If it does not, then move to Step 5.

Step 5 - Since the change in viscosity did not get the wear rate per 1,000 miles below 5 ppm, try a different brand of oil in the same viscosity grade of whichever oil had the lowest wear rate per 1,000 miles. You will need to use it for 3,000 to 4,000 miles to flush the OEM oil out of the system before going 5,000 miles on the new oil to take another sample. See if the non-OEM oil lowers the wear rate per 1,000 miles to 5 ppm or less. If it does, you are good. You can then use the oil analysis results to fine tune the oil change interval.

If the wear rate per 1,000 miles is still above 5 ppm, try the next higher viscosity oil of that same brand to see if that lowers the wear rate per 1,000 miles. Finding the best oil for an engine is an iterative process, but the data from the samples (viscosity, additive depletion, wear rate) will paint a picture that guides you in the right direction.

The key is to make decisions based on facts instead of fear. Use the science instead of speculating.

Thanks,
Lake Speed Jr."


Indont and won’t listen to word he says. Video or no video.

That is all
 
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