BMW B58 Engine Oil Recommendation

10 to 25% PAO

Exactly. 10 to 25% PAO, 25 to 50 % hydrotreated per SDS. Perhaps even a majority of conventional (group I/II):

https://www.quickfds.com/cmt_bin/[email protected]&View=Pdf&Lang=EN&NFou=MOTUL§FR_PI.EN


what is the nuance between approvals and recommendations?

https://www.ravenolamerica.com/motor-oil/5w-30-motor-oil-ravenol-vmp/

Ravenol VMP 5W-30 had BMW LL-04 before and got that approval again for some time.
Many will remember that mess with BMW's approvals, impairing all blenders.
If in doubt check Ravenol's own site instead of Ravenol-America/Blauparts.

https://www.ravenol.de/en/product/motorenoel/pkw-motorenoel/ravenol-vmp-sae-5w-30
 
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Exactly. 10 to 25% PAO, 25 to 50 % hydrotreated per SDS. Perhaps even a majority of conventional (group I/II):

https://www.quickfds.com/cmt_bin/[email protected]&View=Pdf&Lang=EN&NFou=MOTUL§FR_PI.EN




Ravenol VMP 5W-30 had BMW LL-04 before and got that approval again for some time.
Many will remember that mess with BMW's approvals, impairing all blenders.
If in doubt check Ravenol's own site instead of Ravenol-America/Blauparts.

https://www.ravenol.de/en/product/motorenoel/pkw-motorenoel/ravenol-vmp-sae-5w-30
Yep. VMP has LL-04 on the actual DE website and datasheet.
 
Hi all, newb here bumping the thread again. I have a '23 Supra and about to do my first oil change. I live in central FL, so cold days arent "cold" per say. Wanted to get some insight as to the right move to make when it comes to oil. Given my warm climate and that I'll be doing the occasional track day, I was going to move to a 5w40.

Thinking one of these options:
Penzoil Platinum Euro
Castrol Edge Euro
Valvoline Euro
Motul X-cess Gen 2

Is there any reason to go with any of those over the other? Any other advice from those that know more than me in regard to oil (I know very little) is appreciated.
 
I would go Pennzoil and Motul of those on the list. Add Mobil1 0W40. You don’t need 0W (nor 5W) but I am strictly speaking from quality and performance perspective.
 
I would go Pennzoil and Motul of those on the list. Add Mobil1 0W40. You don’t need 0W (nor 5W) but I am strictly speaking from quality and performance perspective.

Got it, thank you. Is there any reason you can think of why I shouldn't go with the w40 or w30?
 
Got it, thank you. Is there any reason you can think of why I shouldn't go with the w40 or w30?
Rethinking, B58 is LL17FE oil, which is low-SAPS oil. I would go LL04, something like Pennzoil Platinum Euro L in Wal mart, or Mobil1 5W30 ESP, Motul X-Clean+ EFE 0W30.
 
Rethinking, B58 is LL17FE oil, which is low-SAPS oil. I would go LL04, something like Pennzoil Platinum Euro L in Wal mart, or Mobil1 5W30 ESP, Motul X-Clean+ EFE 0W30.

Ah, has something changed since throughout this thread, LL01 seemed to be the right choice? Looks like the Penzoil L only comes in 5w30, but sounds like that's a negotiable difference from the 5w40 options
 
Ah, has something changed since throughout this thread, LL01 seemed to be the right choice? Looks like the Penzoil L only comes in 5w30, but sounds like that's a negotiable difference from the 5w40 options
Both LL01 and LL04 are good. LL04 is basically Low-SAPS "version" of LL01.
The grade is irrelevant. Both LL01 and LL04 require a minimum HTHS 3.5. Due to fuel efficiency requirements, the usual upper limit is HTHS of 4cP. So, between 3.5 and 4, oils usually come in XW30 and XW40 flavors.
 
Pennzoil Euro L is still only $26.44 on the shelf at Walmart.

Yeah, would like VW 504 and MB229.52 specs though.

Ah, has something changed since throughout this thread, LL01 seemed to be the right choice? Looks like the Penzoil L only comes in 5w30, but sounds like that's a negotiable difference from the 5w40 options

LL-04 is probably preferred for the B58, as it's lower SAPS and better efficiency in some respects.
Also could lead to lower intake valve deposits.

Bother offer the same thickness/protection levels in normal circumstances.

LL-01 is the way to go if you are tuned, however.
 
This also seems like an interesting option: https://www.amazon.com/Castrol-5W-30-Advanced-Synthetic-Quarts/dp/B084TCS8FC/

Although the pricing isn't that great for the 7qts needed.

M1 5w-30 ESP seems like the good economic choice for LL-04 / MB229.52 / VW504 oils at $34/5qts
I was very happy with this 5w30 from my last oil change in July for a '17 540ix (pics of the bottle here https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/castrol-euro-5w-40-sp-in-the-wild.371725/post-6623573 ) the car feels smoother and quieter at idle than the OEM 0w20 the dealership used

But I just picked this up at Napa, the quart was $6.50 (WA state) but I picked up two 5Qs for $75 (includes tax) and looking forward to seeing how 5w40 runs
 

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Within the same approval it’s going to be irrelevant.
just for once to answer to someone newb without that zen attitude..luckily edyvw explained :
Both LL01 and LL04 are good. LL04 is basically Low-SAPS "version" of LL01.
The grade is irrelevant. Both LL01 and LL04 require a minimum HTHS 3.5. Due to fuel efficiency requirements, the usual upper limit is HTHS of 4cP. So, between 3.5 and 4, oils usually come in XW30 and XW40 flavors.
there you go!
I was very happy with this 5w30 from my last oil change in July for a '17 540ix (pics of the bottle here https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/castrol-euro-5w-40-sp-in-the-wild.371725/post-6623573 ) the car feels smoother and quieter at idle than the OEM 0w20 the dealership used

But I just picked this up at Napa, the quart was $6.50 (WA state) but I picked up two 5Qs for $75 (includes tax) and looking forward to seeing how 5w40 runs
mediocre oil..as said before 0-30 is way better
 
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