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Not sure. Castrol Edge 0W30 and API SL and regained LL01.
Will see.
BMW B58 Engine Oil Recommendation
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this must be the thickest 0xx oil i have known so far.
KV 14
VI 204
HTHS 3.8
says its for high power engines .
KV 14
VI 204
HTHS 3.8
says its for high power engines .
yikes
Almost like a misprint in the specs...3.8 is getting seriously up there. Do you suppose they are using pour point depressants to get down to the 0w rating?
No, it's probably a very light base oil. This is rumored to have some magic polymer in it. I normally would be scared off by a VI of 200 but it's the flagship oil and Porsche uses it in everything from 911 Turbo S to Cup cars. It's the philosophical opposite to HPL No VII. Since we have no data, it comes down to if you believe in Infineum/Mobil's engineering being superior and this product breaking the traditional rules or not.
It passed the Porsche engine tests, in spite of having to accommodate OPF requirements. Who cares how they got there. I have trouble justifying paying $$$$ for boutique oils without performance having been proven.
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M1 ESP X3 0W-40 (incl its rebadged VW and Audi sisters) is the only VW 511 00 and Porsche C40 approved oil with 0W. All the rest is 5W-40. Perhaps it tells a lot.
I agree, it could pass BMW's requirements for LL-04, however we know when it actually gets that approval. Not yet.
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See my sig below for VW 511 00.
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M1 ESP X3 0W-40 (incl its rebadged VW and Audi sisters) is the only VW 511 00 and Porsche C40 approved oil with 0W. All the rest is 5W-40. Perhaps it tells a lot.
I agree, it could pass BMW's requirements for LL-04, however we know when it actually gets that approval. Not yet.
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See my sig below for VW 511 00.
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new lost the approval again, don't know what is going on. Also there is a new mobil1 5w-30 ESP Formula P. Can also be website error. But it seems to be on Swe, Fin, and germanys homepage.
edyvw
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They are selling here ESP 5W30 with LL04.new lost the approval again, don't know what is going on. Also there is a new mobil1 5w-30 ESP Formula P. Can also be website error. But it seems to be on Swe, Fin, and germanys homepage.
Formula P is the same as the old ESP SN+. The SP lost Renault for some reason I think so they introduced this.new lost the approval again, don't know what is going on. Also there is a new mobil1 5w-30 ESP Formula P. Can also be website error. But it seems to be on Swe, Fin, and germanys homepage.
What I'm planning to use next
It has the MB 229.52 over the Motul XClean+ I'm currently on.
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Motul has new version of EFE: Motul X-Clean 0W30 EFE.What I'm planning to use next
It has the MB 229.52 over the Motul XClean+ I'm currently on.
https://www.amazon.com/Motul-X-Clea...mzn1.fos.006c50ae-5d4c-4777-9bc0-4513d670b6bc
It has pour point of -50, so probably healthy dose of PAO, and it is LL04 and MB229.52.
Very nice, and FCP Euro carries it so I can do an exchange.
Missing VW 504 though?
Albeit MB 229.52 is more stringent I'm guessing.
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Sorry, that is older formulation. New one has VW504.00/507.00.
https://www.motul.com/es/en/products/8100-x-clean-efe-0w-30
Thanks, although it looks like FCPEuro doesn't carry this variant.
Is it worth buying over M1 ESP or the other XClean+ variations?
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Not sure, I do not think it is worth per say. M1 0W30 still does not have LL04.
Will see how it performs. I have 12 bottle case ready for the next oil change in Atlas and will do UOA. Motul X-Clean+ 5W30 returned excellent UOA.
what is the nuance between approvals and recommendations?
https://www.ravenolamerica.com/motor-oil/5w-30-motor-oil-ravenol-vmp/
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Well in this case its Ravenol, so thats as good as a recommendation there ever will be. At some point is just a matter of extra cost that will be transferred to customers.
Budget noname oils with few approvals (non at all in some cases) and a long list of recommendations about as bad as it can get.
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edyvw
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You are assuming too much.
What is budget oil? What are “few” approvals? How many approvals it has to be to satisfy your “taste?” Why would Ravenol approved or recommend oil be better than Mobil1, Castrol, Redline, Amosil, OMV, Repsol, Statoil, just to name few?