....in preference to what?
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That phrase has a history.
It was meant as a slam at Lee Iacocca who had just left Ford for Chrysler.
In car manufacture parlance, “Job One” means the first car of a new model to roll off the assembly line.
When he was at Ford,, Iacocca was thought to be obsessed with bringing in “Job One” on time and on budget, and constantly ranted about “Job One” —-often at the expense of quality. So when he left Ford….
I have posted this before but Ford has had issues going way back. They don’t build them like they used to.
I bought a brand new 1985 Ranger. A few weeks later the ECU conked out on the Interstate. Ford replaced it under warranty. That was the first of four ECUs that truck would get. It had electrical problems. Headlights would need to be replaced. It happened ever several months. I ended up keeping a spare in the garage.
The truck never ran right when cold. If I let off the gas in the first couple of miles it would die. Several trips to the dealer solved nothing.
I finally gave up on it. Traded it in for a Toyota Tacoma and never looked back.
I bought a brand new 1985 Ranger. A few weeks later the ECU conked out on the Interstate. Ford replaced it under warranty. That was the first of four ECUs that truck would get. It had electrical problems. Headlights would need to be replaced. It happened ever several months. I ended up keeping a spare in the garage.
The truck never ran right when cold. If I let off the gas in the first couple of miles it would die. Several trips to the dealer solved nothing.
I finally gave up on it. Traded it in for a Toyota Tacoma and never looked back.
Nothing about the current state of FoMoCo quality should come as a surprise to anyone.
Remember the 2008 bailout, when GM and Chrysler happily pocketed billions in taxpayer-funded bailouts while Ford stuck to their guns and rode out the storm? Sure, it looked great in the eye of the public, however behind closed doors there were countless meetings held between engineers and management regarding how best to navigate a chronic lack of investment along with the constant expectation of success.
The Ford "Powershift" DCT (or DPS6) was the love child of said situation. Absolute travesty from the get-go, made worse by cover-up after cover-up stemming from upper management.
Remember the 2008 bailout, when GM and Chrysler happily pocketed billions in taxpayer-funded bailouts while Ford stuck to their guns and rode out the storm? Sure, it looked great in the eye of the public, however behind closed doors there were countless meetings held between engineers and management regarding how best to navigate a chronic lack of investment along with the constant expectation of success.
The Ford "Powershift" DCT (or DPS6) was the love child of said situation. Absolute travesty from the get-go, made worse by cover-up after cover-up stemming from upper management.
Yea I can agree Ford has an issue with QC.
My 2019 F150 went to the dealer at least 4 times in the first year. Multiple times for the 10 speed transmission, once because the leaf springs would shift and make all kinds of creaking/thumping (never fixed), and for a coolant leak.
My 2015 F150 with basically the exact same parts was assembled so perfectly and the 2019 really felt like someone just threw parts on as fast as they could. Jagged edges on interior plastics, hump in the dash, rattles and squeaks at 3 months of ownership, all the warranty work needed. Needless to say, we still have the 2015 and the 2019 is long gone.
My 2019 F150 went to the dealer at least 4 times in the first year. Multiple times for the 10 speed transmission, once because the leaf springs would shift and make all kinds of creaking/thumping (never fixed), and for a coolant leak.
My 2015 F150 with basically the exact same parts was assembled so perfectly and the 2019 really felt like someone just threw parts on as fast as they could. Jagged edges on interior plastics, hump in the dash, rattles and squeaks at 3 months of ownership, all the warranty work needed. Needless to say, we still have the 2015 and the 2019 is long gone.
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Interesting! Now it's a slam at Ford for me since their quality pretty much went down the toilet.
Must be a regional thing. The GM Tahoe/Yukon and Suburban/Yukon XL outnumber the Expedition by 10:1 around here.
It's the reverse here, Expedition wins. I think because of the popularity of the F-150. I agree, the big SUVs Expedition, GM's Tahoe/Yukon, Range Rovers, & newest contender Jeep's Grand Wagoneer despite the high cost of gas prices are surging in popularity
Why is the Suburban the perennial best seller in that class?
I dunno, but whichever high priced SUV is the best seller, I will pick Jeep's Grand Wagoneer. Why? There aren't that many of them on the road. Plus, I'm going to have some head turns riding on this compared to the Suburban, Expedition, Escalade, Navigator or a Range Rover. But it's just me, "IF" I am buying a luxury SUV/
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If you want heads turned and people following you home. Buy a Maverick
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My most memorable Ford was a 97 Escort LX "Sport" with 5 speed.
The thing was the poster-perfect image of a "reliable workhorse".
The original battery lasted over 12 years
The starter and alternator were NEVER replaced.
All electrical functions (power windows, keyless entry, power locks, cruise etc) performed flawlessly for the duration of our ownership.
Id unplug the switch and see if FORScan can bidirectional control the window up for the time being
Brings back memories of my dad's Ford 68 Galaxy, purchased used. It ate fuel pumps about once a year as long as he owned the car. Eventually it rusted out, but most cars of that era did.
Interesting. Our 21 Explorer is starting to have the front windows acting up. Half the time when you roll them up they hit the up limit and roll back down automatically. It takes 2 or 3 tries to get them to stay up. The dealer was like a 2 week wait just to diagnose it. Haven't gotten that far yet.
Besides that its a nice ride. Its very comfortable and they finally have enough power with the turbo v6.
I had two Escorts. A 1985GT and 1995LX. I drove the 1985GT for 11 years and replaced it with the 1995LX that I drove until late 2020. Both were very reliable cars. I'd be driving one of the newer Focus if it didn't have that dual clutch transmission.
Not sure which one is worse, Ford with all their recalls, or GM's famous "oh no, the transmission is supposed to give you whiplash when it shifts, that's normal".
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