At Ford Quality is Now Problem 1

Joined
Jan 16, 2006
Messages
1,781
Location
Ruidoso, NM USA
We bought a Probe in 1989. First we tested a Tempo, and it drove like a tractor compared to the Probe. We liked it so much, we bought a second one a couple years later. Both clocked over 200k miles. Their one weakness was a tendency to oversteer.
We had a Probe GT and it was a great car. Its one Strength was…
well. it was a Mazda!
 
Joined
Oct 3, 2008
Messages
4,849
Location
Kuwait
Ford has been going down a slippery slope over the course of the past decade, and the chip shortages along with COVID have only served to worsen the situation. It's a shame where things are at right now.
 
Joined
Dec 19, 2013
Messages
7,161
Location
Fort Worth, Texas
Yep. Made in Wayne, MI or Mexico depending on if there was a Ford or Mercury badge on it.

The first generation of the Escort was a heavily-Americanized and American-built version of the European Escort. The Merkur XR4TI was an Americanized Ford Sierra. The Focus was when it went back to its European roots.

I also found this - Ford was in cahoots with Mazda - which gave us the Escort of the 1990s, as well as the Probe and Ranger of that era. https://www.autonews.com/manufacturing/mazda-plant-toyota-better-fit-partnership-ford
Besides the Mazda 5 speed manual trans.....Mazda had little to do with the Ranger 'til the 2.3L DOHC came out. Mazda sold rebranded Rangers.
 
Joined
Jul 7, 2014
Messages
3,494
Location
Winnipeg MB CA
Besides the Mazda 5 speed manual trans.....Mazda had little to do with the Ranger 'til the 2.3L DOHC came out. Mazda sold rebranded Rangers.
Yes, the Mazda trucks were true Mazdas through the 1993 MY, and rebadged Rangers thereafter.

B2200, B2600 = Mazda

B2300, B3000, B4000 = Ford
 
Joined
Dec 28, 2014
Messages
2,357
I love the look of the new Ford Bronco, a couple neighbors have them...I’d love to buy one, but I’m the type that’ll buy a vehicle and put 100’s of thousands of miles on it. I worry a Ford product right now can’t handle that.
 
Joined
Jan 2, 2004
Messages
10,013
Location
California
I love the look of the new Ford Bronco, a couple neighbors have them...I’d love to buy one, but I’m the type that’ll buy a vehicle and put 100’s of thousands of miles on it. I worry a Ford product right now can’t handle that.


I have the feeling Ford uses their pre-development phase as the alpha phase, and the first-second years as beta testing. I think the other OEs hide new models under current models for pre-production testing.
 

PWMDMD

Thread starter
Joined
Apr 22, 2018
Messages
2,320
Location
MA


I have the feeling Ford uses their pre-development phase as the alpha phase, and the first-second years as beta testing. I think the other OEs hide new models under current models for pre-production testing.

That is an embarrassment right there.
 
Joined
Jul 24, 2011
Messages
1,760
Location
Missouri
So, why is it there are plenty of the new Ford Expedition on the roads and in the neighborhoods where I live?
Because the 18+ Expeditions have a second row set up that will fold forward to allow 3rd row access with a forward facing car seat still installed. They also have center headrests in the second and third row which GM currently lacks.

If you’ve got a big family and lots of car seats the Expedition is the last resort before moving into a full size van.
 
Joined
Jan 9, 2010
Messages
13,579
Location
Los Gatos, CA


I have the feeling Ford uses their pre-development phase as the alpha phase, and the first-second years as beta testing. I think the other OEs hide new models under current models for pre-production testing.

Wow. Ford is the truck legend. This is utterly disappointing. My trusty '01 Tundra doesn't leak a drop. 210K.
 
Joined
Jan 2, 2004
Messages
10,013
Location
California
Wow. Ford is the truck legend. This is utterly disappointing. My trusty '01 Tundra doesn't leak a drop. 210K.
Yea, two friends have a hard-on for the previous-gen Tundra though I think Toyota was being too ambitious but cheap with them. The F-150 is a better truck on paper and in sales but the Toyota will be less troublesome over its lifespan.

The Tundra is not without fault(AIR system going out, valley plate leaks - same issue with the Lexus IS F/GX460 or anything with the Toyota UR-series V8) but much less recall/campaign history.
 

PWMDMD

Thread starter
Joined
Apr 22, 2018
Messages
2,320
Location
MA
Yea, two friends have a hard-on for the previous-gen Tundra though I think Toyota was being too ambitious but cheap with them. The F-150 is a better truck on paper and in sales but the Toyota will be less troublesome over its lifespan.

The Tundra is not without fault(AIR system going out, valley plate leaks - same issue with the Lexus IS F/GX460 or anything with the Toyota UR-series V8) but much less recall/campaign history.
My 2020 has been solid and there have been enough issues with the 2022 that I plan to keep it for a long time. It's not fancy, it's rather basic and a little rough around the edges, but it should last a long time and be relatively problem-free with basic maintenance.
 
Joined
Jan 2, 2004
Messages
10,013
Location
California
My 2020 has been solid and there have been enough issues with the 2022 that I plan to keep it for a long time. It's not fancy, it's rather basic and a little rough around the edges, but it should last a long time and be relatively problem-free with basic maintenance.
Yep - Toyota is as conservative as 1950s-1980s GM and HP before Carly Fiorina but for good reason. The Lexus LS400/SC/RX of the 1990s(Celsior, Soarer and Harrier in Japan), 1990s RAV4 EV(which really was a test sled for NiMH batteries), Prius and Mirai as well as the LFA was one of the few times they dared step outside of the box.
 
Joined
Jun 14, 2011
Messages
3,345
Location
Texas
Wow. Ford is the truck legend. This is utterly disappointing. My trusty '01 Tundra doesn't leak a drop. 210K.
Even Toyota has teething problems on new models, fully redesigned vehicles, or vehicles with new drive trains, for example, the new Tundras are having a few issues. Ford has tended to be the worst manufacturer in this regard. Personally, I don't buy anything from anybody that is a first year model or redesign.
 
Joined
Jan 2, 2004
Messages
10,013
Location
California
Even Toyota has teething problems on new models, fully redesigned vehicles, or vehicles with new drive trains, for example, the new Tundras are having a few issues. Ford has tended to be the worst manufacturer in this regard. Personally, I don't buy anything from anybody that is a first year model or redesign.
The hybrid Tundra is having toothing pains from what I’ve read somewhere. You’d think Toyota would have that down since they had similar systems(Lexus LS600hL/500h and the JDM Century).
 
Joined
Jun 14, 2011
Messages
3,345
Location
Texas
The hybrid Tundra is having toothing pains from what I’ve read somewhere. You’d think Toyota would have that down since they had similar systems(Lexus LS600hL/500h and the JDM Century).
The Tundra Hybrid is a different hybrid design then the other hybrids that they produce, and, it is a new truck.
 

PWMDMD

Thread starter
Joined
Apr 22, 2018
Messages
2,320
Location
MA
The 2022 Tundras are having problems with their turbos needing to be replaced and some much lesser plastic and trim pieces not fitting or sealing. Their biggest problem is that the front is UGLY, yet the front end of the 2023 Sequoia looks great, there have been many comments about cheap plastics used everywhere, and market adjustments can reach +$20K with dealers trying to sell Capstone hybrids for close to $100k and people are buying them. It's is a pickup truck and I paid $47,500 for my 2020 Platinum and don't ever see myself paying double what I paid for my current ride for a pickup truck.
 
Last edited:
Top