I remember reading somewhere on here that Amsoil gets some of its base stock from Exxon Mobil. For the life of me I can't find that thread. Then again I could be totally wrong and just thought i read that. So do they use Exxon Mobil for any of thier products?
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Yes Amsoil buys SOME of their PAO's from EM.
Amsoil probably had to switch suppliers because of problems at the ExxonMobil plant last year.
From a link posted in another thread:
Wednesday, October 29, 2008
ExxonMobil Chemical yesterday said it expects to resume production of polyalphaolefin at its Beaumont, Texas, plant by the end of this year, welcome news for blenders of premium lubricants. The 82,000 metric ton per year plant, representing more than a third of North American PAO capacity, was shut down as Hurricane Ike approached on Sept. 13 and then was waterlogged when the nearby Neches River flooded its banks.
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U.S. producers of low-vis PAOs, which typically range up to 10 centiStoke in weight, include Chevron Phillips Chemical, ExxonMobil Chemical and Ineos Oligomers. However only two North American companies, ExxonMobil Chemical and Chemtura, have manufacturing capacity to produce the high-viscosity grades, such as 40 and 100 cSt. These often are used as "correction fluids" to balance lower molecular weight PAOs and achieve viscosity targets.
http://www.imakenews.com/lng/e_article001245322.cfm?x=b4MwkBc,b16hwRCn,w
From a link posted in another thread:
Wednesday, October 29, 2008
ExxonMobil Chemical yesterday said it expects to resume production of polyalphaolefin at its Beaumont, Texas, plant by the end of this year, welcome news for blenders of premium lubricants. The 82,000 metric ton per year plant, representing more than a third of North American PAO capacity, was shut down as Hurricane Ike approached on Sept. 13 and then was waterlogged when the nearby Neches River flooded its banks.
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U.S. producers of low-vis PAOs, which typically range up to 10 centiStoke in weight, include Chevron Phillips Chemical, ExxonMobil Chemical and Ineos Oligomers. However only two North American companies, ExxonMobil Chemical and Chemtura, have manufacturing capacity to produce the high-viscosity grades, such as 40 and 100 cSt. These often are used as "correction fluids" to balance lower molecular weight PAOs and achieve viscosity targets.
http://www.imakenews.com/lng/e_article001245322.cfm?x=b4MwkBc,b16hwRCn,w
We all know about that. Posted many times. But, no they didn't.
Pablo,
I understand that Amsoil 7500 is a GRP3 oil base. Do you know for certain what the base oil composition of the other ams products are. 100%, 50% Pao or a mixture of 3-4-5? I'm sure Ams doesn't reveil all of their product info to the public, but just wondered if you know their oil base compositions?
I understand that Amsoil 7500 is a GRP3 oil base. Do you know for certain what the base oil composition of the other ams products are. 100%, 50% Pao or a mixture of 3-4-5? I'm sure Ams doesn't reveil all of their product info to the public, but just wondered if you know their oil base compositions?
The other oils (other than the XL line) are mixed Group 4 and Group 5 base oils.
Someone should post this as a sticky note at the top of this section and just maybe there won't be another 700 new post started about this topic.
Thank you Pablo
Thank you Pablo
Originally Posted By: Johnny
Someone should post this as a sticky note at the top of this section and just maybe there won't be another 700 new post started about this topic.
Thank you Pablo
Good idea, or a BITOG FAQ section, which would bring people to threads discussing things already covered??
Someone should post this as a sticky note at the top of this section and just maybe there won't be another 700 new post started about this topic.
Thank you Pablo
Good idea, or a BITOG FAQ section, which would bring people to threads discussing things already covered??
That might be hard to do. You start a thread like this, you get the answer within three post, and six pages later my washing machine is better than yours.
Originally Posted By: Johnny
That might be hard to do. You start a thread like this, you get the answer within three post, and six pages later my washing machine is better than yours.
LOL, thought I'd toss that out there for the web server savvy. BTW my washer is a washer/dryer stack unit vintage 1998. Well designed and saves space, runs like a top.
That might be hard to do. You start a thread like this, you get the answer within three post, and six pages later my washing machine is better than yours.
LOL, thought I'd toss that out there for the web server savvy. BTW my washer is a washer/dryer stack unit vintage 1998. Well designed and saves space, runs like a top.
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Pablo - You said this:
"The other oils (other than the XL line) are mixed Group 4 and Group 5 base oils."
Can you please elaborate. Such as, what % of Group 4 and 5 are in the final product and, what is the carrier base stock of these products?
Pablo - You said this:
"The other oils (other than the XL line) are mixed Group 4 and Group 5 base oils."
Can you please elaborate. Such as, what % of Group 4 and 5 are in the final product and, what is the carrier base stock of these products?
Originally Posted By: Johnny
That might be hard to do. You start a thread like this, you get the answer within three post, and six pages later my washing machine is better than yours.
Sorry but I don't think so....I'm running a 2007 GE profile dual set in Gloss White with the new Aqua drive system, stainless steel tub and high tech digital controls...
That might be hard to do. You start a thread like this, you get the answer within three post, and six pages later my washing machine is better than yours.
Sorry but I don't think so....I'm running a 2007 GE profile dual set in Gloss White with the new Aqua drive system, stainless steel tub and high tech digital controls...
Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
Hi,
Pablo - You said this:
"The other oils (other than the XL line) are mixed Group 4 and Group 5 base oils."
Can you please elaborate. Such as, what % of Group 4 and 5 are in the final product and, what is the carrier base stock of these products?
I don't know the percentages. Carrier base stock depends on which additive. For example, the additive package of SSO is ester based. That said - the question is about base oils.
Hi,
Pablo - You said this:
"The other oils (other than the XL line) are mixed Group 4 and Group 5 base oils."
Can you please elaborate. Such as, what % of Group 4 and 5 are in the final product and, what is the carrier base stock of these products?
I don't know the percentages. Carrier base stock depends on which additive. For example, the additive package of SSO is ester based. That said - the question is about base oils.
What ??? didnt you get the steam cleaning option????
Hi,
Pablo - This means then that the Group 5 "content" of Amsoil's SSO could be as low as <>5% or so?
Therefore the PAO content could be in a similar range in Amsoil's other products?
Surely Amsoil would/can have provided its Dealers with some data on what the carrier base stock is - Group 1 2 or 3 - and the percentages
And you are correct the question is about base (carrier) oils (stock)
Pablo - This means then that the Group 5 "content" of Amsoil's SSO could be as low as <>5% or so?
Therefore the PAO content could be in a similar range in Amsoil's other products?
Surely Amsoil would/can have provided its Dealers with some data on what the carrier base stock is - Group 1 2 or 3 - and the percentages
And you are correct the question is about base (carrier) oils (stock)
I don't know anyone that knows %'s of base oil types. Only other oil companies.
To the best of my knowledge, Amsoil(not XL line) is still majority PAO. SSO using the "top of the line" pao. Some have speculated
Oil companies technically shouldn't have to reveal anything other than the specifications they meet or exceed IMO. If it meets it, you're good to go.
To the best of my knowledge, Amsoil(not XL line) is still majority PAO. SSO using the "top of the line" pao. Some have speculated
Oil companies technically shouldn't have to reveal anything other than the specifications they meet or exceed IMO. If it meets it, you're good to go.
Hi,
buster - You are correct - the question is raised often
It should be remembered that the "carrier" (base stock) makes up the major volume of the finished product
Sometimes we are led to believe that the "add ins" become the major volume. Very few automotive lubricants for example are even near 90% Group 5 - and these are usually not engine lubricants
This is why some Group 3 products perform as well as some products that are touted as Group 4 or 5 when in fact they contain very little of either. And, they are much cheaper too
buster - You are correct - the question is raised often
It should be remembered that the "carrier" (base stock) makes up the major volume of the finished product
Sometimes we are led to believe that the "add ins" become the major volume. Very few automotive lubricants for example are even near 90% Group 5 - and these are usually not engine lubricants
This is why some Group 3 products perform as well as some products that are touted as Group 4 or 5 when in fact they contain very little of either. And, they are much cheaper too
Agree. The only issue I see with Grp III is the volatility. Noack volatility can tell you the base oil grade to some degree. It's a tad bit higher than it used to be. Could be the grpIII content..who knows.
Some have speculated that when Mobil went to using AN's, is when people started noticing oil consumption. Esters are less volatile I believe. But it's been pointed out that POE's are also used.
Some have speculated that when Mobil went to using AN's, is when people started noticing oil consumption. Esters are less volatile I believe. But it's been pointed out that POE's are also used.
Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
Hi,
Pablo - This means then that the Group 5 "content" of Amsoil's SSO could be as low as <>5% or so?
Therefore the PAO content could be in a similar range in Amsoil's other products?
Surely Amsoil would/can have provided its Dealers with some data on what the carrier base stock is - Group 1 2 or 3 - and the percentages
And you are correct the question is about base (carrier) oils (stock)
1) Oh I'm sure it's over 5%. But speculate all you want. I'm fairly certain you have no detailed knowledge of Amsoil's formulations.
2) Actually the ester content is above the level of the other products, but I've never been told exact percentages. Telling dealers formulations is the same as telling the public.
3) The original question was about base oils. You changed the topic to additive carriers.
What angle are you driving at?
Hi,
Pablo - This means then that the Group 5 "content" of Amsoil's SSO could be as low as <>5% or so?
Therefore the PAO content could be in a similar range in Amsoil's other products?
Surely Amsoil would/can have provided its Dealers with some data on what the carrier base stock is - Group 1 2 or 3 - and the percentages
And you are correct the question is about base (carrier) oils (stock)
1) Oh I'm sure it's over 5%. But speculate all you want. I'm fairly certain you have no detailed knowledge of Amsoil's formulations.
2) Actually the ester content is above the level of the other products, but I've never been told exact percentages. Telling dealers formulations is the same as telling the public.
3) The original question was about base oils. You changed the topic to additive carriers.
What angle are you driving at?
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