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Re-Looking at Amsoil for problem engines.(Ford Ecoboost and GM 5.3/6.2)
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https://dexosesubmission.org/docs/d...oivgra/dexosD BOI-VGRA Guidelines Nov2024.pdfThis post is filled with such misinformation and bait, I’m just waiting for the show.
Amsoil can make claims all they want if they refuse to submit to testing of the product their claims are moot. It’s like a person saying I have gone to medical school but I refuse to pay 8 thousand dollars to take the medical board exam and fees! It’s just a pay to play scam. That’s the equivalent argument amsoil makes in not get certified. I am sure it’s a good product. Oh and Lake Speed jr. can probably out do anyone here in intelligence of motor oil.
Well let’s compare your education to Lake Speeds Jr’s education and resources. He owes an oil analyst lab, has an petrochemical engineering degree, has developed oils for racing and other industries, owns a piston ring company and is educated in metalegic chemistry of petroleum. What education do you have other than you are either a fan boy of amsoil or a MLM distributor of it. And by the way since you brought up YouTube as entertainment only. That would mean any amsoil content on YouTube is for entertainment purposes only and is not credible and should be ignored. Did I get that right?
Amsoil has API licensed oils. You can’t hide your troll bait FALSE info behind a YT personality. Sorry.
Didn’t say all amsoil isn’t certified so don’t put words into my mouth. Is their top line signature series certified? Is their 0W20 diesel certified Dexos? No to neither of those are they good oils? Most likely. Will they stand behind them if things go wrong? About as likely as finding an honest politician in DC. If the claim of our oils are superior and we don’t need independent testing to get a certificate proving that. It’s not pay to play. Just like any professional who has to be licensed has to prove that they meet the standards of said profession. Amsoil makes hundreds of millions of dollars I am sure they can afford to pay for testing. I would love to see them prove that it can exceed Dexos standards. I would probably be a loyal customer if they were. But when their MLM distributors rebuttal is that’s just a pay for play scam. That’s a deflection not an answer. And when only a few products are certified but not all. That’s also a red flag of concern. It’s why not put all products through the testing not just pick and choose. You see where I am going with this? These are critical thinking skills. I’m pretty much a show me state person you have prove that what you say is 100 percent backed by independent testing. Does that make sense? I don’t like it when someone says well I have been using brand X for years and nothing has happened that’s like my uncle who smoked two packs a day since he was 12 and never got sick had cancer or lung disease lived to age 89 and died from being hit by a drunk driver. I could make the claim smoking is harmless because it never hurt my uncle. Testimonials are moot, companies making claims not backed by evidence, are all suspect. Even Mobil1 has an oil that claims it can go 20,000 miles has fine print that states do not exceed manufacture recommended drain intervals. And Exxon Mobil is the big dog and they even won’t stand behind that claim if you run your engine to what they say it will protect. So like I said what is the real reason Amsoil won’t certify all their products and if they won’t what are they hiding? If people get butt hurt for a person asking why? Then there is reasons to believe that it’s not an honest product.
it’s like buddy didn’t even watch the video in question.Please don't ever close this thread.
Prove to me where engines have failed due to using Amsoil.
I’ll wait.
You believe something Lake posted that is not supported by the context of the information that was presented. Nor do you demonstrate the ability to understand the meaning of single, basic UOAs. Once again, a lack of understanding context of things. Stop your narration while claiming to stand on science, yet providing no proof of your own.
Yet all you do is deflection and nothing else you can’t do a decent rebuttal to disprove my claims. I have stated the reasons why I have stated the reasons why I have reservations about the sacred amsoil. Yet you have not provided any evidence of why they won’t do the testing other than “ it’s a pay to play” response your a fan boy I get it you’re probably hundreds of thousands of dollars deep into amsoil. So when someone questions it you get upset. I am questioning it not because I feel it’s a bad product I want to know why it won’t get certified? It’s that simple. Also the testing Lake speed did never said amsoil was a bad product it just showed you don’t need to buy it to get the protection you need and that a five dollar quart from napa is just as good.
HPL has stated here several times why they don’t even bother attempting to get an API license when it’s akin to a cooking with a limited baking recipe and with the known limited performance. Doesn’t mean better to have API approvals. HPL products clearly outperform OTS synthetics; especially at extended OCIs proven time and again on this very forum. But Amsoil is evil and bad for not sticking to API? Am I doing the hating thing right?
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No, Lake’s video does not prove anything regarding comparing the oils that his testing demonstrated. It’s your own failure when taking said video out of context.
I’m not required to prove claims I didn’t make. You’re lost in your own narration. Have fun with that. I’m out.
Why is Amsoil’s warranty an issue when there are not failures related to their products in the first place?
What are we doing here?
What are we doing here?
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So much misinformation…Lake has a bachelors in advertising.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/lake-speed-jr-1b2768121
https://www.performanceracing.com/m...ns-total-seal-piston-rings-vp-sales-marketing
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No, that is not what LSJr showed. He showed in his non-standard test sequence, without repeatability, and without a shred of statistically valid data, there may or not be some equivalence in the motor oils tested.
"Crud ton of money" no, and hardly that much compared to the majors
Actually Amsoil doesn't say that at all about certification. You made that up.
What are you saying about warranty? Amsoil doesn't say or do what you wrote. You simply are making things up. And later you ask others to prove statements, when you certain don't.
No he doesn't own a lab.
No he doesn't have a "petrochemical engineering degree,"
He owns some GREAT companies, not taking that from him. He makes money and NOTHING wrong with that.
"educated in metalegic chemistry of petroleum" - OK THAT was good mate.
Too much to read right there.
But more than once you implied Amsoil does not test their oils. That is completely wrong.
Buddy believing API is the holy grail must believe any boutique is snake oil. “Maybe it’s good oil, but we just can’t know!”
HPL stated why they don’t bother trying to get and fail a certification with their oils.
Why bother trying to fail a test for a limited standard?
API is a limited recipe with narrow minimums or maximums; with rules that don’t apply to boutique oils which are formulated with different technology / ingredients that a standard OTS synthetic doesn’t include or simply cannot include due to price point when combined with the limitations of the API.
HPL and Amsoil would have to reformulate their oils to perform worse to get approvals. And it certainly is pay to play. Dexos also wants the formulation recipe as part of approval.
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But! But…API!
As far as using a UOA to compare oils based on wear. Blackstone says there is no statistical difference in wear between brands. That includes conventional, syn blend, and synthetic. The real differences are in engine/piston cleanliness, shear stability, and oxidation resistance etc. for longer oci’s.
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