Alaska Airlines AS1282 door blow out!

[Danh]

The Max fuselage is essentially identical to the 737NG 700/800/900, other than the shape of the tailcone. Does the 900NG also have these optional emergency exit doors? If so, this should be a very mature design making the failure either one of assembly, defective part or maintenance.

 

[edyvw]

The Max fuselage is essentially identical to the 737NG 700/800/900, other than the shape of the tailcone. Does the 900NG also have these optional emergency exit doors? If so, this should be a very mature design making the failure either one of assembly, defective part or maintenance.

They do. As well as Airbus 321.

 

[billt460]

I need to make a correction to my post #14 referring to the 1989 United 747 Hawaii accident. The father who lost the son in that accident, was not a passenger on that aircraft. He was a New Zealand citizen. His son was on that flight coming to visit him.

 

[1000MPH]

Looks like two cell phones found but no door yet.

I’m assuming if this happened at cruising altitude we would have had a less desirable outcome.

 

[Lubener]

Looks like two cell phones found but no door yet.

I’m assuming if this happened at cruising altitude we would have had a less desirable outcome.

Door was found according to a news story early this morning.

 

[javacontour]

Boeing has had problems ever since they were taken over by McDonald Douglas in 1997. Their problems only became worse when they went insane and moved their corporate headquarters to Chicago.

Boeing wasn't taken over by MD. It was the other way around.


Boeing has gone off the rails.

Let's put on our critical reasoning hats. If it took 20 years (until 2017) for things to go badly for Boeing, it probably wasn't McDonnell Douglas. It was Boeing losing the plot when it comes to being a well run aircraft manufacturer.

 

[yowps3]

It's all nuts and bolts.

 

[MrJayhawk]

New wrinkle reveal: per the NTSB report, the pressurization warnings started around 12/7. The plane had just finished a 10 day stay at Alaska’s vendor for WiFi installation. And guess where the antenna for the WiFi is installed—right over the plug area. The question now is did the vendor fool around there and do something that contributed.

 

[SHOZ]

However, I am starting to think that Boeing might be the first major company of historic proportions that is falling to oblivion while people observe it in real-time on social media.

Disney.....

 

[john_pifer]

New wrinkle reveal: per the NTSB report, the pressurization warnings started around 12/7. The plane had just finished a 10 day stay at Alaska’s vendor for WiFi installation. And guess where the antenna for the WiFi is installed—right over the plug area. The question now is did the vendor fool around there and do something that contributed.

You might be onto something there...

 

[c502cid]

Boeing is not just a commercial airline company. They are huge in the Defense industry. The last military show I worked a Boeing employee told me defense is a bigger than commercial. I don't know if it is true or not, but I don't doubt it. They don't just build aircraft either.

I think Defense is a bigger reason for being in Virginia than commercial lobbying.

 

[edyvw]

Boeing is not just a commercial airline company. They are huge in the Defense industry. The last military show I worked a Boeing employee told me defense is a bigger than commercial. I don't know if it is true or not, but I don't doubt it. They don't just build aircraft either.

I think Defense is a bigger reason for being in Virginia than commercial lobbying.

It is bigger. It is generally lobbying, defense and commercial.
However, commercial is so big that it really doesn’t matter which one is bigger. Boeing is largest US exporter, and that is due to commercial sector.

 

[4WD]

It is bigger. It is generally lobbying, defense and commercial.
However, commercial is so big that it really doesn’t matter which one is bigger. Boeing is largest US exporter, and that is due to commercial sector.

Guess they left Seattle, St Louis, and Chicago now …
At least many of the white collar folks have …
XOM quietly moved lots of folks to the Houston campus knowing there would be attrition - and HR teams generally know how that works … Then present forecast numbers to senior leadership …

 

[edyvw]

Guess they left Seattle, St Louis, and Chicago now …
At least many of the white collar folks have …
XOM quietly moved lots of folks to the Houston campus knowing there would be attrition - and HR teams generally know how that works … Then present forecast numbers to senior leadership …

But CEO of Boeing will give presentation on safety from Renton tomorrow. Nice photo op, and then fly back to VA.

 

[wpod]

Boeing and Budweiser, looking at how well they are doing almost brings a tear to my eye....

It is not just Boeing and Bud that are destroying their names.

 

[Pablo]

However, I am starting to think that Boeing might be the first major company of historic proportions that is falling to oblivion while people observe it in real-time on social media.

GM set the stage as did several "investment" houses. BITOG was around then.................

 

[javacontour]

Guess they left Seattle, St Louis, and Chicago now …
At least many of the white collar folks have …
XOM quietly moved lots of folks to the Houston campus knowing there would be attrition - and HR teams generally know how that works … Then present forecast numbers to senior leadership …

Yes, they still (or at least did not to long ago) still build the F18 here in STL

 

[Astro14]

The inspections taking place support your theory. Several hours to complete and the airplane is back in service.

The clean edge of the remaining fuselage surrounding the hole doesn’t suggest structural failure, but a failure of the hardware holding the plug.

I need to correct this post.

The airplanes are grounded for now. Here are the details.

United has 79 Boeing 737 MAX 9 aircraft. That is more than any other carrier.

The next step for carrying out the FAA’s emergency Airworthiness Directive is for Boeing to issue a Multi-Operator Message.

The FAA will use this message to determine the final means of compliance with its Airworthiness Directive.

While those steps are being completed, United has parked all of its 79 737 Max 9s. We’ve begun steps such as removing the inner panel to access the emergency door and begun preliminary inspections while awaiting final instructions.

Inspections can be completed after final procedures are received from the FAA.

What I posted above is what we anticipate - inspections, for which we’ve already prepared, but we have to get details on the approved inspection.

 

[edyvw]

Boeing wasn't taken over by MD. It was the other way around.


Boeing has gone off the rails.

Let's put on our critical reasoning hats. If it took 20 years (until 2017) for things to go badly for Boeing, it probably wasn't McDonnell Douglas. It was Boeing losing the plot when it comes to being a well run aircraft manufacturer.

Actually, it is.
The Science of Organizational Management is a really good read, especially about the NASA Challenger tragedy. It falls under the realm of Administrative Evil (there is a really good book with interesting case studies. authored by Guy Adams and Danny Balfour).
MD organizational culture basically infected Boeing after the merger. Bad culture is like a cancer. It is hard to identify problems until something happens. After that, it is really hard to fix it. Many companies do not exist anymore, not because they had bad engineers, etc., but because organizational culture rotten them. MD organizational culture is that cancer that spread in Boeing. Today that is just their culture, but the root is MD.

 

[javacontour]

Actually, it is.
The Science of Organizational Management is a really good read, especially about the NASA Challenger tragedy. It falls under the realm of Administrative Evil (there is a really good book with interesting case studies. authored by Guy Adams and Danny Balfour).
MD organizational culture basically infected Boeing after the merger. Bad culture is like a cancer. It is hard to identify problems until something happens. After that, it is really hard to fix it. Many companies do not exist anymore, not because they had bad engineers, etc., but because organizational culture rotten them. MD organizational culture is that cancer that spread in Boeing. Today that is just their culture, but the root is MD.

I have to ask how did Boeing allow MD culture to replace theirs? They bought out MD because it was not viable. What was their rationale for allowing that culture to remain?

I'm not saying it didn't. Just that it makes close to zero sense.