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Dang is this an installation defect, engineering defect, or maintenance?
Alaska Airlines AS1282 door blow out!
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Boeing has had problems ever since they were taken over by McDonald Douglas in 1997. Their problems only became worse when they went insane and moved their corporate headquarters to Chicago.
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cost cutting and shareholders over design and innovation. Was this not their mo back when Md existed?
I'm still really irked that Mitsubishi purchased most/all of the tooling from Bombardier on their regional carrier aircraft and did nothing with it! They had a well designed if not goofy named Mitsubishi Space Jet (MSJ) that was an improved design. They had 45 plus orders from ANA, a handful from JAL from memory and a few smaller European carriers had orders. Something like 150 plus in total. Supposedly subway and train cars were more profitable. If they had cranked these out during the pandemic airlines would be taking delivery now.
Their answer to those issues is absolutely insane. They moved HQ to Arlington so they can better lobby through regulation. Instead of fixing the root problems of their decline, they double down on their old "strategy." They became a company worried only about stock, not engineering.
Airbus delivered 200 more planes in 2023 than Boeing. And this incident does not help. As well as this:
Over pilots’ objection, Boeing seeks safety exemption for MAX 7
Boeing asked the FAA to exempt its 737 MAX 7 from certain safety regulations. Without the exemption, an engine anti-ice system defect will keep the jet from being certified.
www.seattletimes.com
This guy has an incredible video series on 737 systems. I think he’s a Ryan Air instructor pilot. Skip to 21:45 for specific details on this event.
Source: www.b737.org.uk
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Boeing really, REALLY needs to play this right. If they pull “Dennis Muilenburg” on this, they are in real trouble.
FAA grounds 171 Boeing planes after mid-air blowout on Alaska Airlines jet https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67903655
FAA grounds 171 Boeing planes after mid-air blowout on Alaska Airlines jet https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67903655
It was not a door it was a panel that blew out.
Boeing has an epic QC or engineering failure AGAIN on this plane as it was just certified back in Oct 2023 to fly.
They might as well stop making 737 anything. They have destroyed an amazing reputation.
It is a mid-aft door that is basically "sealed" in certain configurations, like this one. From inside, it looks like there is no door; you cannot notice it.
Boeing seems to be moving along from one disaster to the next, what with continued problems with the in-service 737Max 8&9 aircraft, the never-ending certification saga of the Max 7 and 10 and the continued production problems with the 787, which by now should be a mature program free of any problems.
What a difference from the Boeing of thirty years ago, when the 777 was nearing entry into service and the 737NG program was going strong.
I'm very glad that this most recent failure didn't result in anything more than an emergency landing and a grounding until inspected of most of the Max 9 aircraft in service.
What a difference from the Boeing of thirty years ago, when the 777 was nearing entry into service and the 737NG program was going strong.
I'm very glad that this most recent failure didn't result in anything more than an emergency landing and a grounding until inspected of most of the Max 9 aircraft in service.
What ? Its called Boeing, Not Mcdonald Douglas. Boeing bought Douglas not the other way around.
So Boeing not TAKEN OVER BY MCDONALD DOUGLAS.
The big problem always has been rush rush on the fabrication floor, have a friend that worked building 727's and has some stories.
And yeah stupid move to crime land chicago, they could have stayed put and had the same here.
Yep not to mention the 767-2C debacle and the presidential aircraft conversion bad press. 777X delays.
The only program I haven't heard and bad press on is the 777 legacy, which is all freighter production right now.
I'd guess someone forgot some hardware. A plug door won't come out unless locating hardware is not installed. At fault could be Boeing, or subsequent maintenance. If they find the door, they will know exactly what happened.
Seems quite unlikely the plug door buckled in half, or its retainers failed, and exited the aircraft while only at 16,000 feet due to sheer stress. As the differential pressure at that point is rather low.
Seems quite unlikely the plug door buckled in half, or its retainers failed, and exited the aircraft while only at 16,000 feet due to sheer stress. As the differential pressure at that point is rather low.
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Let’s see what the investigation uncovers …
Nobody in that row and the video shows the gentleman in the row behind sitting there with his glasses on, wind ruffling his hair lightly and no oxygen mask on his face. Like riding in a convertible on a summer's day. The initial depressurization might have been violent but after that it looks pretty gentle. Waiting for the investigation results. Two months old...still under warranty. Alaska should ask for a loaner.
A leading theory on airline forum is the bolts holding plug in place were not tightened down by Boeing. The plug is installed loosely by the fuselage contractor and Boeing either puts a door in the spot or finishes tightening down in the factory depending on how many seats airline wants. A fairly common procedure is B will take the plug out frequently even if it is going to be reinstalled to add access to install the interior components. It’s theorized in this case they did not remove plug to finish interior and missed tightening the bolts to spec which then loosened and there you go.
The inspections taking place support your theory. Several hours to complete and the airplane is back in service.
The clean edge of the remaining fuselage surrounding the hole doesn’t suggest structural failure, but a failure of the hardware holding the plug.
If Boeing was not taken over by MD, why did they adopt the MD logo as Boeing's new logo?What ? Its called Boeing, Not Mcdonald Douglas. Boeing bought Douglas not the other way around.
So Boeing not TAKEN OVER BY MCDONALD DOUGLAS.
The big problem always has been rush rush on the fabrication floor, have a friend that worked building 727's and has some stories.
And yeah stupid move to crime land chicago, they could have stayed put and had the same here.
Boeing is asking for the publics help in locating the door-plug. Once they find that I'm sure the investigation as to the cause will be quite evident.
If this was the first time the plane ever flew, my (uneducated) guess would be-maybe no bolts holding it in at all(?) Only the interior trim holding it in place? Is the fuselage pressure tested by the airline after all the seats & interior are in place?
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