2024 Toyota Land Cruiser Oil Spec, Interesting...

[ZeeOSix]

Over the years it was always flow=lubrication. So Toyota doesn’t want better lubrication in this case I guess.

The most important aspect of oil flow getting to engine parts is the W rating during a cold start. The W rating was invented to ensure people use the right oil in cold weather start-ups to ensure adequate lubrication. Oil needs to get to moving parts in order to provide lubrication. Too low or no flow = inadequate or no lubrication.

When the oil is hot, there will always be adequate lubrication, ensured by the PD oil pump. The viscosity of any multi-viscosity oil is magnitudes higher at 0C than at 100C, and the difference of 20 through 60 grade oil at 100C is small compared to the viscosity difference between a 0W through 25W at 0C.

The misnomer was "pressure = lubrication". In some cases that may not always be true. In any oiling system, if the viscosity is constant, then more oil pressure does mean more flow. But any flow above what's a totally adequate volume isn't going to make the lubrication of the parts any better. It might help keep them a bit cooler by carrying away heat.

 

[wemay]

 

[4WD]

Easily a hundred of these …

 

[sw99]

I just gotta say... Toyota nailed the look of the LC 250 IMO

 

[wlk]

I just gotta say... Toyota nailed the look of the LC 250 IMO

Yep it looks like my 05 Element

 

[sw99]

Yep it looks like my 05 ElementView attachment 263242View attachment 263244View attachment 263245

I wouldn't admit to owning an Element.

 

[Pablo]

I wouldn't admit to owning an Element.

Other than sorta boxy, no they don't look that much like a piece of plastic.

 

[wlk]

I wouldn't admit to owning an Element.

Man, I love my Element; it is an almost perfect SUV. Emphasis on sUv- very utilitarian unlike most other small suvs that are just grocery getters and no U to them. Plastic floors for dirt, mud, and kid puke clean up nicely. Fold the seats or take them out for ultimate cargo, can fit a 42" riding lawnmower in one. Probably the one of the best, if not best vehicles I have owned.

 

[lakestone]

It's Toyota's way of saying that you can use a heavier weight oil if you use your engine harder. It's also saying that they recommend 0W-20 because that's what Toyota used to get the emissions and fuel economy tests rubber stamped.

 

[sw99]

wlk, Dude I get it 100%. I have a beater 2009 base model Matrix with some bad hail damage that I picked up for 2k with 90k miles. I used it to pick up a huge 220 lb shop drill press, a nice band saw and many other large items. The seats fold completely flat so it's very convenient. Just giving you a hard time .

 

[sw99]

Our Signia hybrid specs 0w8. I'm going to run 0w20 in when I start paying for the oil changes.

 

[wings&wheels]

Well, we have the local dealer's opinion here. Initial 5k service and tire rotation yielded this.

 

[kschachn]

Well, we have the local dealer's opinion here. Initial 5k service and tire rotation yielded this.
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I suspect this is more common than people realize. My local VW dealer used 504 00 oil in my Tiguan at my request, and somehow I got the impression they may do that without asking.

 

[Bill7]

I often find it interesting that Ford still uses 5w30 in their 3.5 Ecoboost, where Toyota uses 0w20 in their 3.4TT.

Ford used to spec a lot of their engines for 5W-20, but then switched back to recommending 5W-30 because 5W-20 wasn't protecting their timing chains well enough.

 

[edyvw]

I suspect this is more common than people realize. My local VW dealer used 504 00 oil in my Tiguan at my request, and somehow I got the impression they may do that without asking.

They used 5W40 in 508.00 engines when VW508.00 oils were scarce. I would not be surprised if they still use it somewhere.

 

[edyvw]

Well, we have the local dealer's opinion here. Initial 5k service and tire rotation yielded this.
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Do you wear a helmet when you drive? Because you never know when that engine is going to explode bcs. thicker oil.

 

[CKN]

I guess when I pulled my 5,000 pound trailer to Leadville, CO (elevation 10,000 feet) this pass summer with my 5.3 Silverado running 0w/20 it should have blew up.....especially at 90 degrees ambient temperatures.....

 

[2strokeNorthstar]

Id run 5w30 and sleep well unless I lived in Alaska.

 

[Hohn]

Something to consider—turbos are significantly cooled by the oil flowing through the bearing housing. A thinner oil has a higher flow rate and carries away more heat.

 

[wings&wheels]

Man, I love my Element; it is an almost perfect SUV. Emphasis on sUv- very utilitarian unlike most other small suvs that are just grocery getters and no U to them. Plastic floors for dirt, mud, and kid puke clean up nicely. Fold the seats or take them out for ultimate cargo, can fit a 42" riding lawnmower in one. Probably the one of the best, if not best vehicles I have owned.

OT, but I absolutely love the Element. Quirky, practical and durable. Back in the Dark Ages of the early 2000's, I was sent to the West Coast to integrate all of the back room ops of three companies we had acquired. Mailroom and interplant was one of the services. We were spending just silly money on courier services so I did the numbers and bought two Elements and immediately removed the back seats and put in some accountability processes to try and stem any thoughts of abuse. Those two vehicles suffered the worse use by the mailroom almost daily between San Jose, Palo Alto and Walnut Creek but soldiered on well into six figures.

We also needed a place to load/unload and short term park them and after looking at all the proper solutions w/ the City, instead I had two trusted facilities guys get safety vests, paint and stencils and simply painted our own loading zone on the curb....ahh the good old days. Still there!