there is to mention Havoline (chevron) pro-ds (as in Deposit Shield) also makes claims and a video on u-tube as to preventing deposits posted on their site,,,myself found the Havoline pro-ds being a stellar engine oil, not only in wear but keeping the engine clean inside, only its fairly hard to find in stores.
Will Mobil & SOPUS Develop R&P Equivalent ?
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Thanks! I wonder if that went away with the formula change of FS 0w40?
Dunno?
Triple_Se7en
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Where does Mobil-1 Triple Action state it removes piston deposits?
https://www.mobil.com/en/sap/our-products/mobil-1
edyvw
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Nowhere my point in face marketing.
They all do some cleaning. Some more, some less.
Again, R&P might do exactly what it says, but unless some serious independent test is done, IMO, it is API SP, ILSAC-GF6 oil.
I personally want to see if it sticks around or if its another Mobil Annual Protection with Valvoline Restore & Protect?
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It's anecdotal, but I spoke with a Walmart auto center manager and he said R&P is selling better than any oil he has ever seen.
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M1 AP was also $50, that was it’s downfall
But V R&P states in cleans ring lands and the other don't state that. We do know Valvoline did clean ring lands with Esters in their diesel Restore Cummins version and it worked too good and clogged filters.
That's impressive.
I think of shelf motor oil in WM like shelf beer or Coke / Pepsi. Brands have their partisans and market share doesn't change very rapidly.
Valvoline made it clear, in more than one venue, that there was a possibility that filters could become clogged and very clearly stated that filters should be changed one or more times during the interval that the oil was run.
This is from one of their sell sheets, the emphasis is Valvoline's.
IMPORTANT: This product should only be used for one complete drain interval. Note that due to the high solvency of Premium Blue Restore Gen2, this product can produce considerable sediment evacuation, requiring close monitoring of oil filter particulate capacity. It may be necessary to replace oil filter before the next oil drain interval due to trapped sediment.
This is from one of their TSBs, the font color is Valvoline's:
During the installation of Valvoline™ Premium Blue Restore™, a Cummins Filtration® LF14000NN™ lubricating oil filter must also be installed or premature lubricating oil filter plugging may result. Lubricating oil filter plugging can result in internal engine damage.
It must be emphasized that this oil was developed for a specific engine and specific circumstances. People have chosen to use it outside of its design parameters. Sometimes quite successfully. However, many people have used it in their gas-engine passenger cars without fully understanding how to use the product, and often without completely reading all the documentation, much of which is in the form of TSBs.
This, IMO, does not equate to it as having "worked too good [sic] and clogged filters." It worked exactly as it was designed to work and following the instructions wrt filters is part of the process.
I've said it before, it's marketing. I'm sure an SS, HPL, or motul is capable of cleaning, but they didn't capitalize on the marketing opportunity or find it necessary. We have anecdotal evidence the R&P is working but without real data nobody can say.
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I agree, but we really don't know how much more effective it is and whether it is cutting into the sales of Mobil1 & Co.
The way I see it VRP is targeting older and used car owners which is becoming a more prominent base due to state of economy. The oil isn't meant to cut into other Valvoline oils market share but rather their competition share which the competition will want to get back and maybe even more. So, yes, I think competition will try to offer 'better' than VRP oil while targeting VRP customer base at least.
Few things - marketing is what you do when you market a product. All products are marketed and use marketing. That word seems to be the scapegoat for people when they don't like what they are seeing. We have no idea at all if Amsoil SS, HPL can clean EXISTING ring deposits. Pure speculation. Sludge and varnish, yes. Maybe ring deposits but again I don't know that. Valvoline had to make an oil with 50% Group V to do so, which far exceeds any Euro oil on the market by a long shot.
Valvoline ran the tests providing evidence it works and would be in some big trouble if they were lying about this.
There is real data. It's the others that don't have the real data to say whether they can clean existing deposits. Keep clean vs cleaning existing piston deposits are two different things. All oil formulations have historically focused on keeping piston deposits limited. R&P removes them and brings it to a negative.
Is R&P better than M1, Amsoil or HPL? NO and no one is saying that. However it has a unique ability to clean and that technology, whatever it may be, may find itself into other grades in the future.
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I bet the piston tops stay cleaner aswell (seeing how the crown above the top compression ring gets cleaned), and that is something anyone with a borescope can see.
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We should probably avoid sharing the slide that has totally different pistons I'm thinking? Just in terms of a credibility perspective. Stick to ones that show the same slugs, otherwise it comes off as disingenuous.
Also, PBR was designed to do its job in one go, as what @Shel_B posted from Valvoline shows, so yes, perhaps it needs to have 50% Group V to clean the ring lands in one shot, but we cannot, with any degree of reasonability, extrapolate that to mean you need 50% Group V to clean the ring lands. The obvious inference would be that if you use less of that ester (or AN), it's going to take longer, see: HPL engine cleaner, which is NOT designed to do the job in "one go", but gently, to avoid the issue Valvoline mentions: plugging the oil filter.
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