Will Mobil & SOPUS Develop R&P Equivalent ?

I am no expert, but I would say that if the claims are true of the product, and it performs like it says, that is impressive.

I wonder if it has something to do with Valvolines recent purchase by Aramco.........wonder if they had this formula all along? I wonder if this has been in use in other countries and we just did not know?
This was discovered at a Valvoline Engine Testing facility by accident. The do work with a lab in India stated in the video. From the video and what they stated it sounded like they were actually testing for deposit prevention and discovered it by accident.

R&P oils are not supposed to be "the best" oil on the market. It's more of a niche oil that has a unique ability to clean pistions back to factory levels once ran for 4 OCIs.
 
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Based on their own internal lab testing which is headed by a former Infineum engineer of 16 years who said he never saw anything like it.

Show me a mid/low SAPS Euro oil that can clean pistons. Valvoline did, it's your turn.
I generally don't pay attention to companies whose OWN engineers claim they have never seen anything like it.
I usually buy oil based on set approval standards, but hey, maybe Valvoline is onto something and next approval from Mercedes is: "If your own engineer saw it, you are good to go."
 
I generally don't pay attention to companies whose OWN engineers claim they have never seen anything like it.
I usually buy oil based on set approval standards, but hey, maybe Valvoline is onto something and next approval from Mercedes is: "If your own engineer saw it, you are good to go."
Maybe the technology will make it into other grades. I don't know.

I'm trying to be objective here in that I think the oil works as advertised. I don't even use Valvoline so it's not like I'm defending it because I 'm using it, which is often the case with some people.
 
Pennzoil won’t - they already rely on Ultra Platinum ‘keeping engines cleaner than industry standards’.
Castrol already does, all their oils say ‘cleans up existing deposits and prevents new ones from forming’.
As above, M1 already claims their oil cleans up neglected engines, especially their HM version.
Valvoline is the one ‘late to this game’.
 
This whole debate is much like what cannot be discussed here - belief systems are hard to corral - then mixed with the instant gratification needs of today’s society …
This oil is an inexpensive SP - no harm, no fouls given time …
 
Pennzoil won’t - they already rely on Ultra Platinum ‘keeping engines cleaner than industry standards’.
Castrol already does, all their oils say ‘cleans up existing deposits and prevents new ones from forming’.
As above, M1 already claims their oil cleans up neglected engines, especially their HM version.
Valvoline is the one ‘late to this game’.
Not really - VME is an old product with a sweet smell of ester …
 
They already have, R&P. Was discovered and patented by them. Other companies can invent and create ya know?
No it wasn't. Even by their own admission, the alledged secret sauce of R&P was identified by one of their suppliers/partners in India.

Valvoline does not develop additives and never has.
 
Maybe the technology will make it into other grades. I don't know.

I'm trying to be objective here in that I think the oil works as advertised. I don't even use Valvoline so it's not like I'm defending it because I 'm using it, which is often the case with some people.
Mercedes has approval in that grade, MB 229.61, so does BMW, LL12FE. Valvoline has a completely different lineup that has those approvals, well, for a reason.
 
No it wasn't. Even by their own admission, the alledged secret sauce of R&P was identified by one of their suppliers/partners in India.

Valvoline does not develop additives and never has.
That's not how I interpreted it. All of the engine test work was done in Lexington, KY. That's where they discovered it. Where it came from I don't know.
 
Mercedes has approval in that grade, MB 229.61, so does BMW, LL12FE. Valvoline has a completely different lineup that has those approvals, well, for a reason.
Yeah that's why I said if you're already good on the preventative side, this oil won't be of much interest.

In other words, if you're using Mobil 1 ESP, EP or Amsoil SS or HPL you will likely not see ring deposits so carry on.
 
Yeah that's why I said if you're already good on the preventative side, this oil won't be of much interest.

In other words, if you're using Mobil 1 ESP, EP or Amsoil SS or HPL you will likely not see ring deposits so carry on.
We cannot look at this objectively without real, independent testing and control variables.
What Valvoline says, and their romanticized story of how they accidentally discovered, falls right into, actually, pretty good marketing for those that pay attention to it.
All oil blenders claim cleaning capabilities, not only preventive capabilities. I cannot remember when Mobil1 DID NOT claim that. And most approvals actually have those requirements.
So, why should unsuspecting buyer trust Valvoline selling their product and not Mobil1 selling their product?
 
We cannot look at this objectively without real, independent testing and control variables.
What Valvoline says, and their romanticized story of how they accidentally discovered, falls right into, actually, pretty good marketing for those that pay attention to it.
All oil blenders claim cleaning capabilities, not only preventive capabilities. I cannot remember when Mobil1 DID NOT claim that. And most approvals actually have those requirements.
So, why should unsuspecting buyer trust Valvoline selling their product and not Mobil1 selling their product?

If you believe what Valvoline says, the only way to deal with piston deposits historically has been to mitigate them. Once they form they are very hard to get rid of. You have to be between T1 and T2. Solvency has been the key in the past to cleaning and keeping them from forming - Valvoline Premium Restore was that product developed with Cummins.

“We were trying to basically minimize deposits, engine wear, friction and heat, and oil formulation is a balance, so you have to pick and choose what you want it to do,” Warholic says. “What we didn’t know was before the testing that it would remove and reverse the process – that is something you can’t predict by modeling. Restore and Protect removed engine deposits. I had never seen anything like it before, and I have eight years at Valvoline and 16 years at a company that makes the additives used in oil formulation.”

“There are some deposits that are temporary that you can wipe off with your finger, and there are others that can get very thick,”
explained Dr. Michael Warholic, global technology director, Valvoline Global Operations. “The bad thing about deposits – and actually there are several bad things – are that, first of all, they insulate and you can’t get the heat out. They also cause friction.”
 
BTW, it amazes me how naive some people are to the idea that smaller companies can create niche products, especially ones with a dedicated engine lab where they can actually test under controlled conditions.

Also, hasn't anyone ever witnessed a lead engineer at their job leaving and going to a competitor? Do you really think there are no other PhD's at these other companies? Or are they all in Euroland working for BP and Shell?
 
BTW, it amazes me how naive some people are to the idea that smaller companies can create niche products, especially ones with a dedicated engine lab where they can actually test under controlled conditions.

Also, hasn't anyone ever witnessed a lead engineer at their job leaving and going to a competitor? Do you really think there are no other PhD's at these other companies? Or are they all in Euroland working for BP and Shell? Unreal....
EuroBro is a thing …
I have been in this theater for many decades …
On the front lines with millions waiting …
 

If you believe what Valvoline says, the only way to deal with piston deposits historically has been to mitigate them. Once they form they are very hard to get rid of. You have to be between T1 and T2. Solvency has been the key in the past to cleaning and keeping them from forming - Valvoline Restore and Protect.

"“We were trying to basically minimize deposits, engine wear, friction and heat, and oil formulation is a balance, so you have to pick and choose what you want it to do,” Warholic says. “What we didn’t know was before the testing that it would remove and reverse the process – that is something you can’t predict by modeling. Restore and Protect removed engine deposits. I had never seen anything like it before, and I have eight years at Valvoline and 16 years at a company that makes the additives used in oil formulation.”

“There are some deposits that are temporary that you can wipe off with your finger, and there are others that can get very thick,” explained Dr. Michael Warholic, global technology director, Valvoline Global Operations. “The bad thing about deposits – and actually there are several bad things – are that, first of all, they insulate and you can’t get the heat out. They also cause friction.”
So basically, if Mobil1 or SOPUS or Castrol, makes "testimony" like this about their oil, we are good to go?
And no, I generally don't believe companies that are trying to sell their product at any cost, bcs. well, they are in the business of making money, like all other companies. Hence, we still don't have objective testing results behind this oil. I don't believe Valvoline, same as I don't believe Mobil1 Triple Action (well, in light of R&P, it might become double Triple Action).
 
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