avgas -- i see that you're back. just asking, for the FOURTH time, examples of all of these modern engines that will outlast a car's frame by 500 k. miles. TIA.
Why pay for UOA's or synthetic oils.
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"Why pay for used oil analysis or synthetic oils."
The oil labs want money upfront, and I am afraid to run past the door guard at Walmart with my unpaid for jugs of synthetic oil.
When I get a new car, new or used, I think I will have it the rest of my life and want to pamper it. When my car is old and I hate it, but have no money for a new frame, I still want to pamper what's left, which as you say, is the motor.
"It's a free country"
The oil labs want money upfront, and I am afraid to run past the door guard at Walmart with my unpaid for jugs of synthetic oil.
When I get a new car, new or used, I think I will have it the rest of my life and want to pamper it. When my car is old and I hate it, but have no money for a new frame, I still want to pamper what's left, which as you say, is the motor.
"It's a free country"
Originally Posted By: Newtonville
"Why pay for used oil analysis or synthetic oils."
The oil labs want money upfront, and I am afraid to run past the door guard at Walmart with my unpaid for jugs of synthetic oil.
You can make it man, they are always really old people. They can't run very fast.
"Why pay for used oil analysis or synthetic oils."
The oil labs want money upfront, and I am afraid to run past the door guard at Walmart with my unpaid for jugs of synthetic oil.
You can make it man, they are always really old people. They can't run very fast.
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Originally Posted By: StevieC
The van isn't real world data... Real world would have been driving to/from work every day mostly in rush hour traffic with the odd commute on the highway.
To be precise, the van is a real world data point only. Taken on its own, it's anecdotal evidence.
The van isn't real world data... Real world would have been driving to/from work every day mostly in rush hour traffic with the odd commute on the highway.
To be precise, the van is a real world data point only. Taken on its own, it's anecdotal evidence.
The van isn't even that. The van is cited as proof that conventional is just great for 15k OCIs, since here we have this van that has over a million miles on it, etc. Only the van is drinking almost as much oil as it is gas to lumber on, so clearly all is not just fine there.
But his argument is full of so many holes that its barely coherent anyway. Entertaining maybe. But there's no connection to be found anywhere between his premise and anything consistent with it to substantiate it. 6 pages and nothing.
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But his argument is full of so many holes that its barely coherent anyway. Entertaining maybe. But there's no connection to be found anywhere between his premise and anything consistent with it to substantiate it. 6 pages and nothing.
-Spyder
Spyder but even aside from all that there is no way a van from that era that does short trips to work and is restarted cold then driven home could go 15K on an OCI and last 1 million miles as some are suggesting.
That is why I'm saying that this testimony is junk.
If it could I would switch to dino tomorrow as I do approx. 200 or more km's per day and my engine is always hot and I sure as heck could use 15K mile OCI's because it would be way cheaper.
Then I would report back and BITOG would be no longer because there wouldn't be a need to discuss used oil analysis etc. if it were possible.
That is why I'm saying that this testimony is junk.
If it could I would switch to dino tomorrow as I do approx. 200 or more km's per day and my engine is always hot and I sure as heck could use 15K mile OCI's because it would be way cheaper.
Then I would report back and BITOG would be no longer because there wouldn't be a need to discuss used oil analysis etc. if it were possible.
Originally Posted By: Spyder7
But his argument is full of so many holes that its barely coherent anyway. Entertaining maybe. But there's no connection to be found anywhere between his premise and anything consistent with it to substantiate it. 6 pages and nothing.
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At least the OP had the common sense to crawl back under it's bridge.
But his argument is full of so many holes that its barely coherent anyway. Entertaining maybe. But there's no connection to be found anywhere between his premise and anything consistent with it to substantiate it. 6 pages and nothing.
-Spyder
At least the OP had the common sense to crawl back under it's bridge.
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Originally Posted By: Spyder7
The van isn't even that. The van is cited as proof that conventional is just great for 15k OCIs, since here we have this van that has over a million miles on it, etc. Only the van is drinking almost as much oil as it is gas to lumber on, so clearly all is not just fine there.
But his argument is full of so many holes that its barely coherent anyway. Entertaining maybe. But there's no connection to be found anywhere between his premise and anything consistent with it to substantiate it. 6 pages and nothing.
-Spyder
The van has a 110L tank. So if it consumes 1L of oil per fill-up and he runs the tank down to the 10L mark, he is burning 1/100th of the volume of oil versus the volume of gasoline.
Not saying that this isn't excessive consumption; as it clearly is! Simply that stating the van is drinking almost as much oil as gas is a bit off
The van isn't even that. The van is cited as proof that conventional is just great for 15k OCIs, since here we have this van that has over a million miles on it, etc. Only the van is drinking almost as much oil as it is gas to lumber on, so clearly all is not just fine there.
But his argument is full of so many holes that its barely coherent anyway. Entertaining maybe. But there's no connection to be found anywhere between his premise and anything consistent with it to substantiate it. 6 pages and nothing.
-Spyder
The van has a 110L tank. So if it consumes 1L of oil per fill-up and he runs the tank down to the 10L mark, he is burning 1/100th of the volume of oil versus the volume of gasoline.
Not saying that this isn't excessive consumption; as it clearly is! Simply that stating the van is drinking almost as much oil as gas is a bit off
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Originally Posted By: StevieC
Spyder but even aside from all that there is no way a van from that era that does short trips to work and is restarted cold then driven home could go 15K on an OCI and last 1 million miles as some are suggesting.
That is why I'm saying that this testimony is junk.
If it could I would switch to dino tomorrow as I do approx. 200 or more km's per day and my engine is always hot and I sure as heck could use 15K mile OCI's because it would be way cheaper.
Then I would report back and BITOG would be no longer because there wouldn't be a need to discuss used oil analysis etc. if it were possible.
There are plenty of Modulars out there with ridiculous mileage on them running bulk dino at unknown intervals. This engine obviously is far from healthy given its oil drinking habits, but I don't think that necessarily means that the results are false in any way.
Typical? No way!
Doesn't mean they aren't true however.
Spyder but even aside from all that there is no way a van from that era that does short trips to work and is restarted cold then driven home could go 15K on an OCI and last 1 million miles as some are suggesting.
That is why I'm saying that this testimony is junk.
If it could I would switch to dino tomorrow as I do approx. 200 or more km's per day and my engine is always hot and I sure as heck could use 15K mile OCI's because it would be way cheaper.
Then I would report back and BITOG would be no longer because there wouldn't be a need to discuss used oil analysis etc. if it were possible.
There are plenty of Modulars out there with ridiculous mileage on them running bulk dino at unknown intervals. This engine obviously is far from healthy given its oil drinking habits, but I don't think that necessarily means that the results are false in any way.
Typical? No way!
Doesn't mean they aren't true however.
Originally Posted By: StevieC
Spyder but even aside from all that there is no way a van from that era that does short trips to work and is restarted cold then driven home could go 15K on an OCI and last 1 million miles as some are suggesting.
I never argued that the conditions that this van lives in aren't ideal, what was being argued is that this van is no more "relevant" than a 1 million mile dyno test.
Spyder but even aside from all that there is no way a van from that era that does short trips to work and is restarted cold then driven home could go 15K on an OCI and last 1 million miles as some are suggesting.
I never argued that the conditions that this van lives in aren't ideal, what was being argued is that this van is no more "relevant" than a 1 million mile dyno test.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
The van has a 110L tank. So if it consumes 1L of oil per fill-up and he runs the tank down to the 10L mark, he is burning 1/100th of the volume of oil versus the volume of gasoline.
Not saying that this isn't excessive consumption; as it clearly is! Simply that stating the van is drinking almost as much oil as gas is a bit off
I believe he was using hyperbole. Remember, the internet is full of it.
The van has a 110L tank. So if it consumes 1L of oil per fill-up and he runs the tank down to the 10L mark, he is burning 1/100th of the volume of oil versus the volume of gasoline.
Not saying that this isn't excessive consumption; as it clearly is! Simply that stating the van is drinking almost as much oil as gas is a bit off
I believe he was using hyperbole. Remember, the internet is full of it.
lipadj -- your post is spot on.have a good night.
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