Valvoline Restore & Protect

[cheesepuffs2]

That is the goal of ALL companies. They want to make money off of you. Your bias against Valvoline is embarrassing. Get off of your high horse and give it a rest. Clearly nobody cares about your opinion. Troll.

I've used nearly every product that Valvoline makes over the years. I have Valvoline synthetic gear oil, 4T synthetic motorcycle oil, and grease in my stash as I type this.

Remember when Pennzoil Yellow Bottle was touted here as a great cleaning oil? The hype for certain products here has always come and gone in waves, and Restore & Protect is no different. This oil will likely be on clearance shelves a year from now and will soon be forgotten, displaced by the next flavor of the week.

 

[buster]

Remember when Pennzoil Yellow Bottle was touted here as a great cleaning oil? Yeah cleaning existing sludge. How many times do people need to explain the difference or are you just trolling? The hype for certain products here has always come and gone in waves, and Restore & Protect is no different. Irrelevant to whether it works nor not. This oil will likely be on clearance shelves a year from now and will soon be forgotten, displaced by the next flavor of the week. Irrelevent and just opinion.

 

[4WD]

So because Valvoline insinuated it, other synthetics can't remove deposits? HPL doesn't remove deposits?

Not exactly the same price point and people here are dumping HPL like it was - but crickets - and that’s what I need from you - so going on ignore to follow others who are intellectually curious …

 

[Alien]

Sure, but have you found a patent for a novel chemical that would indicate that this compound isn't one that has previously existed or been used?

From https://patents.google.com/patent/US20170029734A1/en :

• Table I shows four exemplary formulations and physical data.
  
  

• TABLE I
  ​
  OIL COMPONENTS	#1	#2	#3	#4
  ​

  Base Oil #1	Lubrigreen SE7B	50.00	0.00
  Base Oil #2	Elevance 1119-159	0.00	50.00
  Base Oil #3	Priolube 1973			30	50
  Base Oil #4	Synesstic 12			10	10
  Base Oil #5	PAO 6	26.95	26.95	35.75	14.95
  Base Oil #6	PAO 4			2.5	5
  VI Improver 2
  Viscosity Index (VI) Improver 1	SV 265	3.00	3.00
  Additive Package 1	D3495L	19.30	19.30		19.3
  Additive Package 2	LZ CV9601			21
  Corrosion Inhibitor	Borate Ester Mix (PX 3871)	0.20	0.20	0.20	0.20
  Antioxidant	Irganox L67	0.50	0.50	0.50	0.50
  Antifoam	Chemaloy F-655	0.05	0.05	0.05	0.05
  	Total	100.00	100.00	100.00	100.00
  LAB TEST RESULTS	KV100 cSt	11.36	12.21	11.95	12.05
  	KV40	65.91	71.57	79.35	79.46
  	VI	169	171	145	147
  	CCS@−25 C.	3622	5329	6490	6820
  	MRV@−30 C.	29279		12750	14134
  	Pour Point	−33 C.	−42 C.	−48.00	−45
  	PDSC Oxidation (min)			76.22	102
  	Noack Volatility %	5.83	7.63	7.14	5.4
  	Base Oil Blend Aniline Point	67	66		62
  	Base Oil Blend KV100 cSt	6.23	5.89	6.93	7.26
  	Total Deposit (mg)				5.7
  ​

• [0032]
  In using the formulation of the present invention to free piston rings and remove previously built-up carbon deposits on engine pistons, the oil in the engine is drained and replaced with a formulation having significant solvency, such as one with an aniline point of about 60. The engine is run until the oil needs to be replaced again, which typically is at least 30,000 miles of operation for the diesel engine and 5000 miles for gasoline engine in a vehicle. Once the oil needs to be replaced, it can be replaced with standard engine oil formulation. The benefit of this oil drain is determined by comparing oil consumption in the engine before and after the drain. In field tests improved oil consumption (reduced oil consumption) was found of up to 179% in Class 8 trucks and up to 275% in stationary engine testing of Class 8 engines with previously high deposits and high oil consumption.

• Additional formulations are shown in Table II.

• TABLE II

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  Base Oil #1	Lubrigreen SE7B										68.9
  Base Oil #2	Elevance 1119-159											32.3
  Base Oil #3	Priolube 1973					70.5
  Base Oil #4	Synesstic 12
  Base Oil #5	PAO 6	57.9	42.4	36.3	31.9	10.2	80.7	39.65	39.65	22.3	11.8	48.4	40.35	40.35
  Base Oil #6	PAO 4
  Base Oil #7	Esterex NP343	22.8
  Base Oil #8	Esterex A51		38.3
  Base Oil #9	Esterex NP 451			44.4
  Base Oil #10	Dow Symbio PB 46				48.8
  Base Oil #11	OSP 32							40.35
  Base Oil #12	OSP 46								40.35
  Base Oil #13	Hatcol 2352									58.4
  Base Oil #14	Hatcol 2926												40.35
  Base Oil #15	Hatcol 2999													40.35
  VI Improver 2
  Additive Package	D3495L	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3
  1
  Borate ester mix								0.2	0.2
  Irganox L67								0.5	0.5
  LAB TEST	KV100 cSt									9.42	11.07	9.93	11.13	12.34
  RESULTS
  	KV40									57.91	57.91	58.33	72.63	79.64
  	PDSC Oxidation (min)	75.29		86.83	63.14	55.5		51.73	51.34
  	Noack Volatility %	5.26		6	7.85	4.62				4.6	6.34		5	5
  	Base Oil Blend Aniline Point	110		100	70	40	128			70	50	90	113.6	96
  	TEOST 33 Rod Deposit (mg)	14.1	19.3	11.7	6.8	3.4				16.2	4.6	9.9	5.7	3.4
  	Filter Deposit (mg)	1.3	0.4	0.4	1.5	0.6				1.3	1.9	4.4	1.5	0.9
  	Total Deposit (mg)	15.4	19.7	12.1	8.3	4	35.4			17.5	6.5	14.3	7.2	4.3
  ​

• [0036]
  The formulation of the present invention is useful in preventing and/or removing carbon deposits on engine pistons, and maintaining and/or freeing up piston rings. Yet, at the same time, the formulation meets requisite elastomeric compatibility, oil consumption, cleanliness and corrosion requirements for the engine.

 

[buster]

From https://patents.google.com/patent/US20170029734A1/en :

• Table I shows four exemplary formulations and physical data.
  
  
• ​

  TABLE I
  ​
  OIL COMPONENTS	#1	#2	#3	#4
  ​

  
  
  ​

  Base Oil #1	Lubrigreen SE7B	50.00	0.00
  Base Oil #2	Elevance 1119-159	0.00	50.00
  Base Oil #3	Priolube 1973			30	50
  Base Oil #4	Synesstic 12			10	10
  Base Oil #5	PAO 6	26.95	26.95	35.75	14.95
  Base Oil #6	PAO 4			2.5	5
  VI Improver 2
  Viscosity Index (VI) Improver 1	SV 265	3.00	3.00
  Additive Package 1	D3495L	19.30	19.30		19.3
  Additive Package 2	LZ CV9601			21
  Corrosion Inhibitor	Borate Ester Mix (PX 3871)	0.20	0.20	0.20	0.20
  Antioxidant	Irganox L67	0.50	0.50	0.50	0.50
  Antifoam	Chemaloy F-655	0.05	0.05	0.05	0.05
  	Total	100.00	100.00	100.00	100.00
  LAB TEST RESULTS	KV100 cSt	11.36	12.21	11.95	12.05
  	KV40	65.91	71.57	79.35	79.46
  	VI	169	171	145	147
  	CCS@−25 C.	3622	5329	6490	6820
  	MRV@−30 C.	29279		12750	14134
  	Pour Point	−33 C.	−42 C.	−48.00	−45
  	PDSC Oxidation (min)			76.22	102
  	Noack Volatility %	5.83	7.63	7.14	5.4
  	Base Oil Blend Aniline Point	67	66		62
  	Base Oil Blend KV100 cSt	6.23	5.89	6.93	7.26
  	Total Deposit (mg)				5.7
  ​

  
  
• [0032]
  In using the formulation of the present invention to free piston rings and remove previously built-up carbon deposits on engine pistons, the oil in the engine is drained and replaced with a formulation having significant solvency, such as one with an aniline point of about 60. The engine is run until the oil needs to be replaced again, which typically is at least 30,000 miles of operation for the diesel engine and 5000 miles for gasoline engine in a vehicle. Once the oil needs to be replaced, it can be replaced with standard engine oil formulation. The benefit of this oil drain is determined by comparing oil consumption in the engine before and after the drain. In field tests improved oil consumption (reduced oil consumption) was found of up to 179% in Class 8 trucks and up to 275% in stationary engine testing of Class 8 engines with previously high deposits and high oil consumption.
• Additional formulations are shown in Table II.
• ​

  TABLE II

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  Base Oil #1	Lubrigreen SE7B										68.9
  Base Oil #2	Elevance 1119-159											32.3
  Base Oil #3	Priolube 1973					70.5
  Base Oil #4	Synesstic 12
  Base Oil #5	PAO 6	57.9	42.4	36.3	31.9	10.2	80.7	39.65	39.65	22.3	11.8	48.4	40.35	40.35
  Base Oil #6	PAO 4
  Base Oil #7	Esterex NP343	22.8
  Base Oil #8	Esterex A51		38.3
  Base Oil #9	Esterex NP 451			44.4
  Base Oil #10	Dow Symbio PB 46				48.8
  Base Oil #11	OSP 32							40.35
  Base Oil #12	OSP 46								40.35
  Base Oil #13	Hatcol 2352									58.4
  Base Oil #14	Hatcol 2926												40.35
  Base Oil #15	Hatcol 2999													40.35
  VI Improver 2
  Additive Package	D3495L	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3
  1
  Borate ester mix								0.2	0.2
  Irganox L67								0.5	0.5
  LAB TEST	KV100 cSt									9.42	11.07	9.93	11.13	12.34
  RESULTS
  	KV40									57.91	57.91	58.33	72.63	79.64
  	PDSC Oxidation (min)	75.29		86.83	63.14	55.5		51.73	51.34
  	Noack Volatility %	5.26		6	7.85	4.62				4.6	6.34		5	5
  	Base Oil Blend Aniline Point	110		100	70	40	128			70	50	90	113.6	96
  	TEOST 33 Rod Deposit (mg)	14.1	19.3	11.7	6.8	3.4				16.2	4.6	9.9	5.7	3.4
  	Filter Deposit (mg)	1.3	0.4	0.4	1.5	0.6				1.3	1.9	4.4	1.5	0.9
  	Total Deposit (mg)	15.4	19.7	12.1	8.3	4	35.4			17.5	6.5	14.3	7.2	4.3
  ​

  
  
• [0036]
  The formulation of the present invention is useful in preventing and/or removing carbon deposits on engine pistons, and maintaining and/or freeing up piston rings. Yet, at the same time, the formulation meets requisite elastomeric compatibility, oil consumption, cleanliness and corrosion requirements for the engine.

This is the old/first version developed for diesel engines.

The interesting thing though about the first R&P is it uses high solvency bases oils (AN/POE) in large amounts that does a great job at cleaning. That is why I tend to think HPL and Amsoil SS can likely clean existing deposits and not just sludge.

 

[Alien]

This is the old/first version developed for diesel engines.

Not that old: "2021-08-03 Application granted"

 

[buster]

Not that old: "2021-08-03 Application granted"

I think that is for the R&P Gen 2 version which was released shortly after that time.

 

[Alien]

I think that is for the R&P Gen 2 version which was released shortly after that time.

You may be right. Here are tables from https://patents.google.com/patent/US11078436B2/en, which is probably the newer version:

Table I shows four exemplary formulations and physical data.

TABLE I
​
OIL COMPONENTS	#1	#2	#3	#4
​

Base Oil #1	Lubrigreen SE7B	50.00	0.00
Base Oil #2	Elevance 1119-159	0.00	50.00
Base Oil #3	Priolube 1973			30	50
Base Oil #4	Synesstic 12			10	10
Base Oil #5	PAO 6	26.95	26.95	35.75	14.95
Base Oil #6	PAO 4			2.5	5
VI Improver 2
Viscosity Index (VI) Improver 1	SV 265	3.00	3.00
Additive Package 1	D3495L	19.30	19.30		19.3
Additive Package 2	LZ CV9601			21
Corrosion Inhibitor	Borate Ester Mix (PX 3871)	0.20	0.20	0.20	0.20
Antioxidant	Irganox L67	0.50	0.50	0.50	0.50
Antifoam	Chemaloy F-655	0.05	0.05	0.05	0.05
	Total	100.00	100.00	100.00	100.00
LAB TEST RESULTS	KV100 cSt	11.36	12.21	11.95	12.05
	KV40	65.91	71.57	79.35	79.46
	VI	169	171	145	147
	CCS@−25 C.	3622	5329	6490	6820
	MRV@−30 C.	29279		12750	14134
	Pour Point	−33 C.	−42 C.	−48.00	−45
	PDSC Oxidation (min)			76.22	102
	Noack Volatility %	5.83	7.63	7.14	5.4
	Base Oil Blend Aniline Point	67	66		62
	Base Oil Blend KV100 cSt	6.23	5.89	6.93	7.26
	Total Deposit (mg)				5.7
​

In using the formulation of the present invention to free piston rings and remove previously built-up carbon deposits on engine pistons, the oil in the engine is drained and replaced with a formulation having significant solvency, such as one with an aniline point of about 60. The engine is run until the oil needs to be replaced again, which typically is at least 30,000 miles of operation for the diesel engine and 5000 miles for gasoline engine in a vehicle. Once the oil needs to be replaced, it can be replaced with standard engine oil formulation. The benefit of this oil drain is determined by comparing oil consumption in the engine before and after the drain. In field tests improved oil consumption (reduced oil consumption) was found of up to 179% in Class 8 trucks and up to 275% in stationary engine testing of Class 8 engines with previously high deposits and high oil consumption.

Additional formulations are shown in Table II.

TABLE II

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Base Oil #1	Lubrigreen SE7B										68.9
Base Oil #2	Elevance 1119-159											32.3
Base Oil #3	Priolube 1973					70.5
Base Oil #4	Synesstic 12
Base Oil #5	PAO 6	57.9	42.4	36.3	31.9	10.2	80.7	39.65	39.65	22.3	11.8	48.4	40.35	40.35
Base Oil #6	PAO 4
Base Oil #7	Esterex NP343	22.8
Base Oil #8	Esterex A51		38.3
Base Oil #9	Esterex NP 451			44.4
Base Oil #10	Dow Symbio PB 46				48.8
Base Oil #11	OSP 32							40.35
Base Oil #12	OSP 46								40.35
Base Oil #13	Hatcol 2352									58.4
Base Oil #14	Hatcol 2926												40.35
Base Oil #15	Hatcol 2999													40.35
VI Improver 2
Additive Package	D3495L	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3
1
Borate ester mix								0.2	0.2
Irganox L67								0.5	0.5
LAB TEST	KV100 cSt									9.42	11.07	9.93	11.13	12.34
RESULTS
	KV40									57.91	57.91	58.33	72.63	79.64
	PDSC Oxidation (min)	75.29		86.83	63.14	55.5		51.73	51.34
	Noack Volatility %	5.26		6	7.85	4.62				4.6	6.34		5	5
	Base Oil Blend Aniline Point	110		100	70	40	128			70	50	90	113.6	96
	TEOST 33 Rod Deposit (mg)	14.1	19.3	11.7	6.8	3.4				16.2	4.6	9.9	5.7	3.4
	Filter Deposit (mg)	1.3	0.4	0.4	1.5	0.6				1.3	1.9	4.4	1.5	0.9
	Total Deposit (mg)	15.4	19.7	12.1	8.3	4	35.4			17.5	6.5	14.3	7.2	4.3
​

The formulation of the present invention is useful in preventing and/or removing carbon deposits on engine pistons, and maintaining and/or freeing up piston rings. Yet, at the same time, the formulation meets requisite elastomeric compatibility, oil consumption, cleanliness and corrosion requirements for the engine.

 

[Alien]

You may be right. Here are tables from https://patents.google.com/patent/US11078436B2/en, which is probably the newer version:

Table I shows four exemplary formulations and physical data.

​

TABLE I
​
OIL COMPONENTS	#1	#2	#3	#4
​

​

Base Oil #1	Lubrigreen SE7B	50.00	0.00
Base Oil #2	Elevance 1119-159	0.00	50.00
Base Oil #3	Priolube 1973			30	50
Base Oil #4	Synesstic 12			10	10
Base Oil #5	PAO 6	26.95	26.95	35.75	14.95
Base Oil #6	PAO 4			2.5	5
VI Improver 2
Viscosity Index (VI) Improver 1	SV 265	3.00	3.00
Additive Package 1	D3495L	19.30	19.30		19.3
Additive Package 2	LZ CV9601			21
Corrosion Inhibitor	Borate Ester Mix (PX 3871)	0.20	0.20	0.20	0.20
Antioxidant	Irganox L67	0.50	0.50	0.50	0.50
Antifoam	Chemaloy F-655	0.05	0.05	0.05	0.05
	Total	100.00	100.00	100.00	100.00
LAB TEST RESULTS	KV100 cSt	11.36	12.21	11.95	12.05
	KV40	65.91	71.57	79.35	79.46
	VI	169	171	145	147
	CCS@−25 C.	3622	5329	6490	6820
	MRV@−30 C.	29279		12750	14134
	Pour Point	−33 C.	−42 C.	−48.00	−45
	PDSC Oxidation (min)			76.22	102
	Noack Volatility %	5.83	7.63	7.14	5.4
	Base Oil Blend Aniline Point	67	66		62
	Base Oil Blend KV100 cSt	6.23	5.89	6.93	7.26
	Total Deposit (mg)				5.7
​

In using the formulation of the present invention to free piston rings and remove previously built-up carbon deposits on engine pistons, the oil in the engine is drained and replaced with a formulation having significant solvency, such as one with an aniline point of about 60. The engine is run until the oil needs to be replaced again, which typically is at least 30,000 miles of operation for the diesel engine and 5000 miles for gasoline engine in a vehicle. Once the oil needs to be replaced, it can be replaced with standard engine oil formulation. The benefit of this oil drain is determined by comparing oil consumption in the engine before and after the drain. In field tests improved oil consumption (reduced oil consumption) was found of up to 179% in Class 8 trucks and up to 275% in stationary engine testing of Class 8 engines with previously high deposits and high oil consumption.

Additional formulations are shown in Table II.

​

TABLE II

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Base Oil #1	Lubrigreen SE7B										68.9
Base Oil #2	Elevance 1119-159											32.3
Base Oil #3	Priolube 1973					70.5
Base Oil #4	Synesstic 12
Base Oil #5	PAO 6	57.9	42.4	36.3	31.9	10.2	80.7	39.65	39.65	22.3	11.8	48.4	40.35	40.35
Base Oil #6	PAO 4
Base Oil #7	Esterex NP343	22.8
Base Oil #8	Esterex A51		38.3
Base Oil #9	Esterex NP 451			44.4
Base Oil #10	Dow Symbio PB 46				48.8
Base Oil #11	OSP 32							40.35
Base Oil #12	OSP 46								40.35
Base Oil #13	Hatcol 2352									58.4
Base Oil #14	Hatcol 2926												40.35
Base Oil #15	Hatcol 2999													40.35
VI Improver 2
Additive Package	D3495L	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3	19.3
1
Borate ester mix								0.2	0.2
Irganox L67								0.5	0.5
LAB TEST	KV100 cSt									9.42	11.07	9.93	11.13	12.34
RESULTS
	KV40									57.91	57.91	58.33	72.63	79.64
	PDSC Oxidation (min)	75.29		86.83	63.14	55.5		51.73	51.34
	Noack Volatility %	5.26		6	7.85	4.62				4.6	6.34		5	5
	Base Oil Blend Aniline Point	110		100	70	40	128			70	50	90	113.6	96
	TEOST 33 Rod Deposit (mg)	14.1	19.3	11.7	6.8	3.4				16.2	4.6	9.9	5.7	3.4
	Filter Deposit (mg)	1.3	0.4	0.4	1.5	0.6				1.3	1.9	4.4	1.5	0.9
	Total Deposit (mg)	15.4	19.7	12.1	8.3	4	35.4			17.5	6.5	14.3	7.2	4.3
​

The formulation of the present invention is useful in preventing and/or removing carbon deposits on engine pistons, and maintaining and/or freeing up piston rings. Yet, at the same time, the formulation meets requisite elastomeric compatibility, oil consumption, cleanliness and corrosion requirements for the engine.

But I do not see any difference in the tables between the two patent applications ...

 

[buster]

But I do not see any difference in the tables between the two patent applications ...

We know from the video that they're not using high group V to achieve this, so it pretty much has to be for the older/Gen2 versions.

Also to achieve that level of cleaning, notice how much they had to use.

 

[bigjohann]

While I sincerely tend to agree with your overall theme in this post…I think this is a very good and well stated post.

I lean towards the possibility that Valvoline has created a unique oil that possibly can do what they say it can do. Playing the percentage game right now I’d say there’s a 65 percent chance that it may possibly turn out to be rather legitimate.


People have good reason at times to be highly skeptical of their government, doctors, and scientists and big corporations…

The second Gulf war…. Led people to be far more skeptical of their government…

JFK files … still won’t be let out for the public to see… How many decades later ?

I have seen first blanking hand doctors miss very OBVIOUS huge problems with patients… In cases where there was obvious evidence to suggest something was terribly wrong.

And scientists are worthy of skepticism too… And when one research scientist had huge questions about a particular treatment shall we say.. And the fact was he had received a number of government patents that established that certain treatment… He gets banned on certain platforms.. When he had big questions about that treatment when it got magically rush approval.


So… good, bad or indifferent…

Sometimes questions, skepticism and deeper level thinking is actually needed.

Not just blind faith or belief in others.

David Koresh, Jim Jones… A certain chancellor from a country in Europe… Amother leader from a big country with millions killed in isolated camps scattered throughout that very vast nation…

All of these types of people loved people who just believed in them… Without hesitation or asking questions or being skeptical about things.

Interesting to read about how “ science “ and scientists were captured by the government in that country in Europe with that lovely chancellor… That’s extremely interesting to read and learn about.
.

Man, this got DEEP.

It’s motor oil. Always has been alot of BS in Motor Oil. Sometimes there are improvements… without that fact there would be BITOG.

 

[KCJeep]

Who cares about marketing if it actually works. I find it ironic some of those demanding data and results don’t have any data that it doesn’t work either. Pot meet kettle.

I have seen a little (certainly not conclusive) evidence there is something to it and none so far that it does nothing.

 

[Zee09]

Who cares about marketing if it actually works. I find it ironic some of those demanding data and results don’t have any data that it doesn’t work either. Pot meet kettle.

I have seen a little (certainly not conclusive) evidence there is something to it and none so far that it does nothing.

Does it have any GTL in it? The drama.

 

[Alien]

We know from the video that they're not using high group V to achieve this, so it pretty much has to be for the older/Gen2 versions.

Also to achieve that level of cleaning, notice how much they had to use.

I do not know which of the components listed in the 17 claims are Group V. Do all of the 17 claims use a Group V component?

 

[Glenda W.]

I wonder if there will be any humility if it is proven to work in the real world?

Seems to be the same folks in every R&P thread bashing. I know if it doesn’t work I’d be willing to post I was wrong. I can only base my opinion on the ASTM lab results until I can try it.

 

[buster]

I do not know which of the components listed in the 17 claims are Group V. Do all of the 17 claims use a Group V component?

It was a concoction of different group V base oils for a more rapid cleaning.

"These esters, together, with the alkylated naphthalene, would be added in amounts effective to establish the solvency with the aniline point at between 20 and 115 and preferably between 50 and 95. As shown in FIG. 1, a formulation with 20%, preferably 30%, polyol ester with the remainder PAO has a favorable aniline point. The upper limit of polyol ester is determined by other performance characteristics and will generally not exceed 80%. In one embodiment, the lubricant formulation can include 40-60% polyol ester, 5-15% alkylated naphthalene and 15-25% PAO, in particular about 50% of the polyol ester, in particular Priolube 1973, 10% of an alkylated naphthalene and 20% PAO."

 

[bbhero]

There's a difference between healthy skepticism and summarily and categorically dismissing all claims made by everyone in an authority position that can not be immediately verified. Has the government lied? Yes! Does the government lie about everything? No. Do doctors make mistakes and miss diagnoses? Yes! Do doctors miss all diagnoses? No. Do scientists get it wrong and/or lie? Yes! Do all scientists do this? No.

Each and every case has to be evaluated independently based on its own merits - who is saying it, what they are saying, and what information is available to corroborate or discredit what they are saying. We don't do this anymore as a society and instead we say because government, doctors, or scientists could be or have lied or they have been wrong, we should automatically discredit everything they say, even if what they say is plausible and there is no evidence to support they are wrong. It's another form of apathy - it's easier to just discredit all claims instead of doing the hard work of actually considered individual ideas and evidence. We've gone well past healthy skepticism to automatic disbelief of even everyday plausible claims.

In this case, could Valvoline be lying? Sure. Is there any evidence or history of Valvoline lying? Not to my knowledge. Does this mean I'm 100% certain they are telling 100% truth? Of course not, and if someone presents credible evidence to suggest otherwise, I'll consider that evidence, but many here have just defaulted to Valvoline must be lying, and that's not a sensible conclusion based on what we know.

I understand….

But your post was not quite as detailed or concise in that aspect. .

And I have become much, much more skeptical of many people over the last 23 years… For very, very strong reasons.

Again, your post I responded to there was very good overall and I agree with the general sentiment behind it.

You and I seem-to see things from a different perspective at times. And being perfectly candid I think I have been not the best at times articulating things in the best way with you. So I do apologize to you for that happening.

Believe it or not but I am actually a very reasonable person and pretty good guy to be around and talk to. In person I’d bet you and I would have a very good time talking with one another.

 

[buster]

And I have become much, much more skeptical of many people over the last 23 years… For very, very strong reasons.

I'm 100% with you on that.

 

[KCJeep]

Does it have any GTL in it? The drama.

One SDS says 50% Overkill posted it.

 

[Furious]

I wonder if there will be any humility if it is proven to work in the real world?

Seems to be the same folks in every R&P thread bashing. I know if it doesn’t work I’d be willing to post I was wrong. I can only base my opinion on the ASTM lab results until I can try it.

People will keep on hating with their baseless claims. Notice most of those same folks push other products?